feminism, web 2.0mg and yh

[corsakti]

i was recently informed i'm a misogynist, and hurting womenkind. and, gals who wear heels or makeup or are aroused by power-play in the confines of their own bedroom are sexist morons. conveniently there was a web 2.0 logo parody collaboration taking place at that time. yielding classic results, i might add. it was within these contexts that

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[ex_muzer409]

I think feminism of the 60s & 70s made serious, serious tactical errors by veering off from burning the constraining undergarments and letting tits be tits, into a strangely perverse strategy of emulating/aping and in effect worshiping all the worst things about stereoytypical male behavior. They didn't celebrate and support the stereotypical female abilities to be effervescent in the face of anything, and of encompassing the big-picture and little-pictures simultaneously, and see the ends and means as one and the same. Instead they wanted to wear suits and have bigger dicks...all the stupid shit they were supposedly trying to subvert.

The worst part is the disservice they did parenting, the most important service any one can help contribute to, whether as a parent or helping a parent parent. Now we reap the "rewards" with kids who don't feel like anyone really gives a fuck, and act accordingly.

I've been realizing lately (as a pretty non-femmy chick myself, mostly out of laziness & shyness) that a great deal of strength is demonstrated by a chick in heels doing it all just as well as a dude in chinos and deck shoes. There's one where I work, pretty, short, with heels up to there and a rack out to there, and she can easily pick up and haul a ream of paper (a good 40/50 pounds) with nary a grunt. Even traditional "womens' work" is damn hard work, hauling kids and domestic items about, and done without much noise. Whereas the average man must moan and grunt and get patted on the head regularly (along with the nagging) to get going on judt about any "non-fun" task.

I don't know how it came to be that feminists abandoned the domestic woman so completely. Gloria Steinem exuded femininity, after all. They should have been working to get wages and insurance for homemakers and respect for all domestic and childcare workers (and nurses and teahchers). Instead they just wanted to play with the boys' toys, ironically just confirming that the typical women's realm was not even to be thought of, let alone treated with the seriousness it deserved.

Who knows if things had gone differently, what the average workplace would be like. And maybe tons more men would feel free to be more domestic, if feminism hadn't compounded and added to the contempt that is felt for "womens' work."

Not to say I'm against women in the workplace too! I just wish wed striven to make that a more humane place, brought more color and verve (as I think we have to some extent) instead of trying so hard to be as hard and as like "them" as possible. I think men will end up sighing a huge sigh of relief when we finally do...spearheaded by the smart sassy nuevo-feministas such as yourself.

Oh, how I've blathered!

[corsakti]

i agree with a lot of the above. i think a lot of this extreme brand of 'feminism' has done more harm for the cause than good. it takes attention away from whats important to fight for (from equality in the workplace to our right to choose) and widens the gap, makes people turn away and shake their heads at the cockamainy idea of 'feminism'. it angers me.

in any event have you seen the family guy episode with 'miss ironbox' the feminist? the aforementioned woman reminds me of her.

[ex_muzer409]

I don't think I've seen ANY Family Guy. Is that one of the new cartoons? I'm way behind on my tv-watching. Thank goodness they put whole seasons on DVD now.

Maybe I can find Miss Ironbox on youtube! I like even just the name.

I just noticed I called you a nuevo feminista. How sexist of me! (And I was even more sexist in my accusing all men of being lazy whiners--NEVER happened. ;D) (I was having a bad-man day, but one of them redeemed them all today.)