Wait, Spike's what in the whatment? (btvs 7:3)

[cordelianne]

OMG I just discovered that CTV (a MAJOR Canadian TV network) aired the WRONG Grey's Anatomy episode!!!!!! It turns out that they aired the SECOND episode of the new season instead of the season premiere

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[cordelianne]

Oh! The Wire - I'd forgotten about that. From what I've heard it's an excellent portrayal too. That's a show I've always meant to watch, and just have never gotten around to it. I really should because I constantly hear how it's one of the best shows on TV. And you're right about the character on ER too. I get bad and forget if it's a show I don't watch. *g* But you're right, it's not easy to find. Oh! I did remember that this season's Amazing Race has a team of two gay men (boyfriends) and a lesbian daughter with her father who's still coming to terms with her coming out. The Amazing Race consistently has queer contestants.

which is fine, but how hard is it? Seriously? Have Gaeta wake up next to a male pilot. Ta-da!
Yes! That would be awesome! Especially because Gaeta needs to get over his fixation with Gaius.
*sighs* I'd heard Ron Moore's comment and think it's possible not to make a big deal out of it by not making it a big deal on the show. I think that how Joss dealt with Willow & Tara's relationship is a good example, obviously it would be very different on BSG but it can be approached in a character-focused vs. issue-focused way.

[crossoverman]

By the time I get around to watching "The Wire" I think it will be over :-) But, yeah, I keep hearing it's the greatest thing ever - and I did sample it early in its first year. It's about time I tried again. From the beginning.

I think you're right - RDM doesn't have to make a big deal about it, but clearly he thinks any deal would be a big deal. It's a hard balance to find.

"Babylon 5" had a gay female relationship that mostly happened off screen - which most of the audience missed because we were so unused to seeing these things, particularly in Science Fiction. Now looking at it, it seems obvious the relationship is happening for a while - and I wonder how we missed it!

But it deliberately had to underplay it so as not to create controversy. Willow/Tara is still the perfect example of integrating a gay relationship into a cast of characters that wasn't gay previously. It's a pity BSG didn't have a gay character all along. So now introducing one is always going to stand out a little.

I'm not sure I want it so subtle that we have to search for signals, but I think there would be great visceral thrill of seeing Gaeta going about his morning routine with a guy in his bed. It's not like I'm asking for Apollo to jump into bed with Helo.

[cordelianne]

Oh! Now that you mention it, I recall a friend telling me about the lesbian relationship on Babylon 5 and how well done it was.
Now looking at it, it seems obvious the relationship is happening for a while - and I wonder how we missed it!
heee! That is the disadvantage of being really subtle (of course I'm sure it helps it get by network execs).

I agree that so subtle it's basically subtext is less what I'd like to see than an actual queer character on something like BSG.
It's not like I'm asking for Apollo to jump into bed with Helo.
I'm sure there's lots of fans who'd love to see that! ;) (Well, slash fans anyway!)

[crossoverman]

I just hope "getting past the network execs" isn't too big of a problem anymore. I mean, obviously it *is* in some regard - but at least a show like The Office can do an episode like "Gay Witch Hunt" at all.

Oh, the thought of Apollo/Helo is, um, yeah, wow, but as much as slash feeds an urge, it's not the same as an ongoing queer relationship on television. And for some reason it seems a huge sticking point on Science Fiction TV.