You think open bornders are ok? THINK AGAIN.

[cdat1ad]

I mean is anyone really surprised? I mean with MILLIONS of people being able to freely cross our border, is it any wonder that our enemies would choose to do this. This report alone is justification for any military action against Iran. Because if a guy is willing to blow himself apart to kill a few infidels, imagine that idiot with a small nuke.

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[cdat1ad]

I just posted it, its a Washington Time story. Also as far as open borders being a historical fact and good for us? Uh Hello Ellis Island? You had to pass a health inspection or be turned back. Does this strike you as an open border?

How about the surge of TB in the US? Whooping cough anyone? We can ill afford to be the friend of the world. I have NO issue with legal immigrants. I have NO issue with anyone wanting to come here legally. But to think that no one who wants to hurt us could not cross into our country from the south is pure folly.

You fail to understand one simple thing. These people think GOD told them you need to die and they will go to heaven by killing you. They happily blow themselves up to kill innocents. You want those people to have free access to our country?

Lets not point out the the Taliban get a huge amount of money from the sale of opium. Not like drug dealers all over the world get their stuff from them. You want a link? How about common sense. Worlds largest opium producer, meet powerful drug cartel in Mexico that regularly crosses our border armed. I think they will like each other pretty well don't you?

[dwer]

I just posted it, its a Washington Time story.

I want a real corroborating link. I don't trust the Washington Times to report the weather.

Ellis Island worked because everyone was accepted pending the results of the health check.

I want everyone to have access to our country because it has been proved time and time again that access to freedom generates good will and increased freedom abroad.

Until you provide proof that Mexican cartels are dealing with Taliban and Al Queda, all you're doing is speculating.

[weswilson]

You do understand that the Washington Times is not a paragon of journalistic integrity, right? They have a neo-conservative agenda, and stories supporting current right-wing causes shouldn't inherently be trusted without some other source backing up the story. I'm not saying the story isn't true, but I'd honestly wait for a less biased source before you go running to mountaintops.

TB outbreaks are not an uncommon occurrence in the world. Scroll down... there's a bit down there about a stripper being responsible for one. One person can cause a TB outbreak. It doesn't take a million illegals to do it.

Also, everyone here is probably well aware that islamic radicals think they will go to heaven for blowing up elements of the great satan. You aren't doing anyone any favors by talking down to them, you are just making your own opinions less challenging in the eyes of those you speak poorly to.

As for drugs... Drug dealers will make their money wherever they can. But don't kid yourself that they are eager to see large segments of America blown up by terrorists. You don't make any money from corpses.

[melvin_udall]

And another one. Christ.

They have a neo-conservative agenda

HOLY CHRIST! THANKS! They might LEAN CONSERVATIVE you say? You've saved us! Boy, it's a good thing we're not posting in conservatism and referencing them as a source. That would be OUTRAGEOUS.

On the one hand I'm dying to know how liberals reconcile being able to single out the minute number of conservative sources for ridicule while still claiming the overall media isn't liberal, but on the other hand it would just give me a headache with the rest of their logic.

One person can cause a TB outbreak. It doesn't take a million illegals to do it.

Hm. If one person can cause an outbreak... and there are millions of illegals who haven't been given medical exams... I would think the odds would be higher of having outbreaks.

I'm sure the problem here is my confusion as to how math works. Maybe this is some of that new "radical math", where numbers aren't as important as ideology.

You aren't doing anyone any favors by talking down to them, you are just making your own opinions less challenging in the eyes of those you speak poorly to.

Here here! By all means we should strive to respect the viewpoint of Islamic Extremists who want anyone who disagrees with them, including women and children, dead. No talking down to them. No sir.

Although I don't think he was talking to them. Hm.

His opinions are supposed to be challenging? Here I thought being right was the more important part.

As for drugs... Drug dealers will make their money wherever they can. But don't kid yourself that they are eager to see large segments of America blown up by terrorists. You don't make any money from corpses.

No. You make your money from people who give it to you. And dealers have no reason to care who that is. Unless the flow of their goods will be cut off they've no reason to care, and the leaders of both parties have shown there is no chance of that. There will always be a market for drug dealers to profit from so long as drugs are illegal.

[weswilson]

I didn't say they lean conservatively... they lean NEO-conservatively. There is a difference. I Edit:do not think that people who would mislead you are wrong, be they from the right or from the left. I'd seek a second source on a PETA alert, why shouldn't I do the same with one from Reverend Moon.

Secondly, my point about TB is that the recent outbreaks are normal, predictable, and expected... Just as AIDS was blamed on gays, it's not always logical to attribute minorities with disease-bearing traits for political reasons. History shows us that every outbreak of any contagious health issue will typically be delivered from a minority and spread outwards. Using TB as an argument against illegals is disingenuous.

The rest of this is ridiculous jackassery.

[melvin_udall]

I didn't say they lean conservatively

I read it.

There is a difference.

Indeed. This community's name still has not changed.

I do not think that people who would mislead you are wrong, be they from the right or from the left.

I have no idea what this means.

I'd seek a second source on a PETA alert,

You've now equated the Washington Times with PETA.

Now THAT is ridiculous jackassery.

Secondly, my point about TB is that the recent outbreaks are normal, predictable, and expected

Hey liberal. I got your point. You ignored mine. Notice I didn't say "missed." I said "ignored." As in it was deliberate on your part.

That they are normal, predictable, and expected does not change that they are also preventable and manageable by regulating our border, including health checks.

You know this. You knew this point. It is disingenuous, to put it VERY kindly, to ignore that you knew it.

Just as AIDS was blamed on gays

This old chestnut? Seriously? You people really do just read all the same information.

it's not always logical to attribute minorities with disease-bearing traits for political reasons.

Liberal victimhood ahoy!

It is common to attribute a greater likelihood of disease bearing capabilities to those without medical care. That would be called common sense.

Using TB as an argument against illegals is disingenuous.

While you are clearly an expert on being disingenuous, you are also absolutely wrong. And since it seems pretty clear you're smart enough to know better, you aren't just wrong.

The rest of this is ridiculous jackassery.

Wow. You've played most plays in the liberal playbook in just a couple o fposts. Excuses, distractions, avoidance, arrogance, pretension. Good stuff. Welcome. They'll love you here.

You've now equated the Washington Times with PETA.

Now THAT is ridiculous jackassery.

[weswilson]

That's so cute... you think I'm a liberal just because I don't like neo-conservatism.

Bias is bias... and when you know it's there, you double-check your sources... period.

[melvin_udall]

No. I think you're a liberal because I could take the posts of several of the liberals who come here looking to ridicule and condescend and write your cliches for you.

No. I think you're a liberal because I provided several examples of why I think you're a liberal and you post the claim about neo-conservatism as if I'd said that instead.

No. I think you're a liberal because your arrogance is matched only by your ability to ignore my responses in lieu of changing the subject and making up distractions and speeches.

No. I think you're a liberal because I can read.

What regularly amuses me is how often American "Progressives"/Liberals/Democrats refuse to admit what they are. I mean, if they believe in the ideology you'd think they wouldn't be so eager to hide their belief in it or stand by its actual goals.

All that said, if I'm wrong time will tell. It's happened. And when it does I say so. Ask heirtoruin. With you I'm pretty sure I'm not. Know why I'm so sure?

Because anyone but a liberal would have stood up and stated it rather than this, "That's so cute... you think I'm a...," non-denial denial. It fits in with the too common disingenuousness of the group.

Peta = Washington Times. AHAHAHAHAHA! Seriously. That was awesome. Thanks.

[weswilson]

I just wanna pinch your cheek... I never said PETA = Washington Times... but if you need that to feel like you're the superior one, go for it. Arrogance says, "I'm right", not "Look more, make sure." Me thinks there's a little bit of projecting going on.

[weswilson]

Bias is bias. When you know someone has a vested interest in convincing you of something, you second guess them. I pointed out that I would do that with either side of the political pond. PETA was the first thing I thought of when I thought of left-leaning bias. I do not compare them as equals... I merely point out that bias on either side should be questioned and challenged. There is no effort made on my part to gauge or equate the bias...

So no, I really didn't.

Re: Did someone utter my name?

[weswilson]

hahhhahahahah...

probably much more bitter...

AL!
.... george ....

Re: Did someone utter my name?

[virtual_anima]

I like Algore's green tie better.

[weswilson]

oh, and for the record. Your non-denial denial bit requires that I'm actually concerned with debating you. I've seen how you speak to people and have no desire to swap spit in that kind of debate. If you can't address the other person's ideas without resorting to name-calling and finger-pointing, then I'm going to move on and debate people with more integrity. I've been doing this internet-talky thing a long time, and have learned that it's more constructive to communicate with people who don't waste their time simplifying you into a common stereotype.

[melvin_udall]

Yes! That's it! You're above it all! Go with that and run. Run Forrest run!

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You aren't debating because you've got no debate. I don't really care what excuse you cower behind.