A Good Day To Die

[coldthermistor]

Title: A Good Day To Die
Fandom: Star Wars
Rating: PG-13
Characters: Bant Eerin (mentioned), Garen Muln, Kyp Durron, Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi (mentioned)
Summary: Garen thinks about growing old, and faces the likelihood of his own death. A Jedi's life is sacrifice. Set in the Destroyer of Worlds universe.
Note: Possible (implied) character death

Comments

[darth_eldritch]

You make the Yuuzhon Vong more impressive than any of the books I've read on them.

[coldthermistor]

Is that a good thing? ;) j/k

[darth_eldritch]

It's a very good thing!

After reading x many books on the Vong they got boring, and I wasn't really accepting of them in the first place because 1) they were apparently immune to the Force and that seems to go against the general definition of the Force 2) they sound like the Githyanki from D&D.

Here they seem truly alien and terrifying, and the characters have no idea what they are up against.

[coldthermistor]

Awesome :D

Yeah, the Force-immunity really got me, and I felt it wasn't necessarily very well-explained. How the Force-immunity worked, I mean anyway. LOL good point - now you mention it, I *do* think of the Githyanki!

Yep. And to make things worse, they're not at all certain they can trust the only (dead) person who knew anything about them...*cough* Palpatine *cough*...

[darth_eldritch]

:D

It is a very good fic!

I didn't really like the Force immunity thing, really. It just stretched the definition a bit much for me. It's notable that Salvatore wrote Vector Prime where the Vong were first introduced and he did a lot of books for Forgotten Realms, so I figured the Vong were Githyanki rip offs, or they seem that way to me.

Yeah, even KotOR mentioned them, in Canderous talking about the mysterious asteroid he had attacked. So I figured this "terrible secret" in K2 that "justified" Revan just leaving for no real reason were possible threats from the Vong.
And like Palpatine would tell anyone if he couldn't have the galaxy himself, LOL!!!

[coldthermistor]

True. I'm probably going to run with the Force-immunity thing, to some extent, but I considered swapping some of the Vong canon...IDK, actually lol.

Yep! I remember the asteroid story. I thought Revan had left to deal with the Vong too (AND RETURNED CENTURIES LATER AS THE SUPREME OVERLORD) - ahem, sorry.

Actually, I sort of worked out a bunch of circumstances that might explain Palpatine telling. Well, I hope they would make sense anyway, since I wanted to give Palpatine a slightly more prominent role in this universe (y'know, like involve Palpatine, rather than just having him as the mysterious cackling background figure.) Think Hannibal Lector...just a little. Palpatine's got plans, and he's content to bide his time and play those little games with Anakin.

For now.

[darth_eldritch]

Yeah, I kind of agree with Stover's idea that the Vong simply operate in a different frequency of the Force.

Yep! I remember the asteroid story. I thought Revan had left to deal with the Vong too (AND RETURNED CENTURIES LATER AS THE SUPREME OVERLORD) - ahem, sorry.

YOU HAVE JUST WON THE INTERNETS WITH THIS PURE UNADULTERATED AWESOMENESS!!!!!!!!

I like this very much. A smooth Palpatine manuevering everyone to fight the Vong for him.... heh heh. Am very much waiting for this!!!!!!

Meanwhile I'm gagging as someone is posting some SWTOR video that looks like it ought to be in Firefly......

[coldthermistor]

Yep, I prefer the different frequency thing, though I think it does (to some extent), still leave a few things to be explained, e.g. why telekinesis, or Force lightning, for instance, doesn't work on them.

THANK YOU. I SORT OF WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, IF REVAN HAD TO LEAVE. (I mean seriously, look, if the True Sith and the Vong and god-knows-what else are in those regions, I'm quite surprised they haven't exterminated each other yet!)

Yay, thanks ;) Well, he sort of does like Anakin. Just a little. He did put quite an investment into the boy, after all. (Keep telling yourself that, Palpatine.)

Gameplay vid or...?

[darth_eldritch]

Exactly. They can't be entirely dead in the Force.

YOU'RE WELCOME!!!!! YES, it is my understanding that KotOR III was supposed to be Revan's return. But they shitcanned that in favor of TOR and this stupid MMORPG.
In fact, I have in the history of my Sith (Vektoris and Kali Raya) that the original Sith had fought the Vong and repelled them.)

You're welcome!
Palps, you know you like him...

One of those promotional vids for the MMORG. Which I understand that the actual graphics of the game looks a lot worse.

[coldthermistor]

Actually, *if* you want to run with the possible Salvatore Githyanki tack, the 'dead in the Force' thing could be less of the broad evolutionary-mythic divorce from a parent planet mentioned in The Unifying Force and more of a very Darwinian thing, perhaps

[darth_eldritch]

That makes sense. After all, I do believe that the Jedi do work only in certain bandwidths of the Force.

One thing that I play with is the apparent immunity to Force mind tricks on the part of Hutts and Toydarians, what I call a Force inversion.
Some of the back story on Vektoris Ragnos, which will be in future fics, is his apparent weakness in the Force, yet somehow he is so strong in the Dark Side... he happens to be immune or resilient to Force effects... and it turns out that the Force is simply inverted in him, in a passive highly protective mode which is how I see the Hutts and Toydarians.

Thanks!

Yeah, it just... IDK.. it just depressed me to see such a great story taken down and the characters just used for amusement and people are lapping it up like candy.
And I bet if this was done to one of their favorite characters in other fandoms or in other parts of Star Wars they would be furious...

[coldthermistor]

Ooo, I like the inversion idea. Do you mind if I sort of riff off it/use it in the explanations to come? I'll definitely credit you, I just like well-thought out explanations for odd things that happen in stories (usually). /Scully-mode.

What about, 'Anakin totally killed Palpatine, never got affected by the fact he essentially killed the man like a second father to him, waltzed off to leave Padme pregnant/giving birth (despite how afraid he was she would die in childbirth) and ran out of the galaxy to beyond the Outer Rim.'

Episode IV: Luke, Anakin's son fights the Empire. Oh btw, Anakin died. LOL GUYS, YOU ARE STUCK WITH LUKE NOW. ENJOY!

[darth_eldritch]

Go ahead :)

What about, 'Anakin totally killed Palpatine, never got affected by the fact he essentially killed the man like a second father to him, waltzed off to leave Padme pregnant/giving birth (despite how afraid he was she would die in childbirth) and ran out of the galaxy to beyond the Outer Rim.'

OMG, yes! YES! This is exactly what it is like! One person kept arguing with me never understanding how I felt about this shit being done to Revan, but if anything about Anakin comes up, oh no! Not Anakin!

Episode IV: Luke, Anakin's son fights the Empire. Oh btw, Anakin died. LOL GUYS, YOU ARE STUCK WITH LUKE NOW. ENJOY!

EXACTLY the attitude we're getting!

[coldthermistor]

I know. I mean, Revan isn't my favouritest of SW characters (he's high up on the list, but for me it's probably Obi-Wan), I still think that no matter how you approach Revan, I think that kind of forced/assumed ending reeks so much of railroading that I couldn't have liked it in any way, regardless of whether I could actually believe in the legitimacy of a Revan that did such things. It's basic GMing, LucasArts :(

I know, right? It's one reason I'm always hesitant about the introduction of new characters/passing-the-torch chapters/stories/episodes. They tend to destroy the feel of things, and a lot of times, it feels like we're getting cheap replacements. I don't mind Doggett so much (I know a lot of older Philes aren't so happy about Doggett) but I think Doggett was a lot more better executed than Satele Shan (I read the Wiki and I'm already horrified.)

[darth_eldritch]

This!

I'm not familiar with Dogget, but there is a way to make a passing the torch story. Like Qui-Gon Jin. As much as I really liked the guy, his death at Darth Maul's hands doesn't depress me, and it's Obi Wan's turn to carry the torch. There is a rhyme and reason for the whole story and it feels right. And Obi-Wan's turn at Darth Vadrer's hand. His story is told and complete, plus we really know Obi-Wan was the one who chose to shift over to the Force milliseconds before Vader's saber hit his robes.
Revan's and the Exile's story is not complete by a long shot and I don't want to be a passive audience as someone who hasn't quite the grasp on the characters finishes it.

[darth_eldritch]

Wait a minute, Dogget in the X-files, duh!