What would constitute a "perfect" evening for you?Taking for granted no work, no crisis on the station, no hostilities breaking out in the quadrant, no sudden Starfleet initiatives
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OOC - oh, you can assume Kira was with Damar as long as no one else there minds her utter lack of interaction! I assume Kira would be rather quiet, bored and distant at a fashion show anyway...
I'm probably not the best person to try to explain Earth religions, though this story was common to three of the largest. Apparently this man, Moses, was born a member of a group who believed they had been chosen by their God, but they were enslaved and he was raised among the powerful ruling class. As an adult, his God appeared to him in the form of a burning bush and ordered him to free his people, and after many signs and wonders, the oppressors agreed to let them go.
I do suppose there might be parallels for Bajor with this story, but Captain Sisko told me that the wars on Earth based upon the religions that share this story went on for thousands of years, so I'm not sure I'd want to dwell upon it.
The Trill do have a rather unusual sense of humor, though apparently the joke Ezri was making was human in origin and involved a vulgar term for female body parts. On Earth they seem to have any number of rude terms for women which have somehow survived longer than their dominant religions. I don't know whether to see this as progressive or not...
I don't remember enough about Bajoran pre-history to recall what most people believed before the discovery of the first of the Orbs. Probably there were different gods in different regions. The Prophets are now understood to have been in the Celestial Temple for millennia, affecting our lives even before we knew of them...
Re: //repost//legate_damarMay 28 2004, 13:47:17 UTC
It's hard not to see the parellel between the Terran story of this Moses and the history between Bajor and Cardassia. Of course this would be without the miracles and "burning bush".
Although this doesn't surprise me that your name was associated to this Earthen legend. Escpecially in light of your past.
His expression goes quizical
These humans remind me in some ways of the Klingons. Always looking for an excuse to fight why else would they make war over something so small? Shouldn't religion be about your spiritual relationship with whatever force you believe in?
At the remarks concerning Ezri's more seedy comments he looks a little confused before realizing what she is refering to. Trying to hide his awkwardness he remarks quickly.
I see...I think I'd rather not know. I never realized just how off coloured Trill humour can be, nevermind Terran. I always thought in that aspect they were more..."dignified."
On the subject of ancient religion and cultures, now that your people are no longer bound have they had a chance to do any archeology?
Don't ask me to explain human behavior! Apparently the only way they were able to make peace among their religions was in essence to abolish them. I believe that the city all three claimed as their spiritual center was destroyed in their third world war, and then the people came to understand that their god really did not reside in a rock or a temple.
I imagine that no thousands-year-old religion could disappear in a couple of hundred years, anywhere, and I have heard that vestiges remain -- that there are still those who pray three times a day facing a certain direction, in the privacy of their quarters, and that there is a bishop in one of their cities, Rome, who guides the faithful of that offshoot.
I think most Trill humor is rather more sophisticated but one of Dax's former hosts, Curzon, spent a great deal of time among Klingons and humans and picked up their questionable taste interesting wit. I imagine that Ezri scandalizes people at home now.
My people have done a great deal of archaeology -- in addition to finding a long-missing Orb, Captain Sisko led us to the ruins of an ancient city. But after the recent experience of the Pah-wraiths and the text of Kosst Amojan, we are proceeding very slowly and carefully in our examination of the artifacts we find.
It took them that long to realize that their gods can't be contained in a building or statue? Thats a frightening thought to think that a race that is so advanced would be so...primative.
I can see how the need to abolish such things are necessary I know in the ancient times when our military took over the government the samething happened as well. Although on Cardassia no one really believes in religion anymore, I wonder if in time this will also be the case on Earth.
So why do some pray in a certain direction or go to Rome? What is the significance of this?
At the mention of Dax's past lives he can't help but feel a little envious.
It must be nice to have eight lives of decisions and mistakes to learn from. I can imagine if we all had such an oppertunity how different things would be. Although in this case I can see how having such knowledge could also backfire on you.
His expression darkens at the mention of the PahWraiths obviously the mention of their name bears bad memories for him as well.
I can see how the need to proceed with caution would be needed in light of everything that has occured. If you do discover more relics of these fire demons I imagine you will destroy them? To prevent others from stumbling onto them I mean. Which brings up another matter how did your people deal with the followers of the "PahWraiths"?
So why do some pray in a certain direction or go to Rome?
I'm not sure really -- I think both those cities were once of great religious importance on Earth. I know there was an empire in Rome once but I'm under the impression that that is not why people took pilgrimages there.
It must be nice to have eight lives of decisions and mistakes to learn from. I can imagine if we all had such an oppertunity how different things would be.
On the other hand, it gets very complicated -- apparently there is a Trill prohibition on remarrying someone carrying a symbiont with which a prior host was involved, which caused both Jadzia and Ezri some grief. And imagine if you were the only joined Trill in a crowd of people living only a single life? I would think one might drive oneself insane with regret after a time.
If you do discover more relics of these fire demons I imagine you will destroy them? To prevent others from stumbling onto them I mean. Which brings up another matter how did your people deal with the followers of the "PahWraiths"?
This is a subject that the Vedek Assembly is still trying to deal with. It's fairly certain that we have not found all of the relics of the Pah-wraiths, given that Dukat managed to uncover two in as many years. I am not certain what will happen to them.
I remember during my brief encounter with Ezri how confused she seemed to be. Although at the time I never paid much attention to it I was too wrapped up in my own problems. But now that I think about I'm amazed that with her lack of training that she handled the transformation as well as she did. I know I would have failed miserably if placed in the same situation.
Well all the best to your people in trying to locate these Pah Wraith relics. I wish I was in your reality at least I could help locate the followers...After all having a long history as Gul Dukat's protege does have its uses.
I'm probably not the best person to try to explain Earth religions, though this story was common to three of the largest. Apparently this man, Moses, was born a member of a group who believed they had been chosen by their God, but they were enslaved and he was raised among the powerful ruling class. As an adult, his God appeared to him in the form of a burning bush and ordered him to free his people, and after many signs and wonders, the oppressors agreed to let them go.
I do suppose there might be parallels for Bajor with this story, but Captain Sisko told me that the wars on Earth based upon the religions that share this story went on for thousands of years, so I'm not sure I'd want to dwell upon it.
The Trill do have a rather unusual sense of humor, though apparently the joke Ezri was making was human in origin and involved a vulgar term for female body parts. On Earth they seem to have any number of rude terms for women which have somehow survived longer than their dominant religions. I don't know whether to see this as progressive or not...
I don't remember enough about Bajoran pre-history to recall what most people believed before the discovery of the first of the Orbs. Probably there were different gods in different regions. The Prophets are now understood to have been in the Celestial Temple for millennia, affecting our lives even before we knew of them...
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Although this doesn't surprise me that your name was associated to this Earthen legend. Escpecially in light of your past.
His expression goes quizical
These humans remind me in some ways of the Klingons. Always looking for an excuse to fight why else would they make war over something so small? Shouldn't religion be about your spiritual relationship with whatever force you believe in?
At the remarks concerning Ezri's more seedy comments he looks a little confused before realizing what she is refering to. Trying to hide his awkwardness he remarks quickly.
I see...I think I'd rather not know. I never realized just how off coloured Trill humour can be, nevermind Terran. I always thought in that aspect they were more..."dignified."
On the subject of ancient religion and cultures, now that your people are no longer bound have they had a chance to do any archeology?
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I imagine that no thousands-year-old religion could disappear in a couple of hundred years, anywhere, and I have heard that vestiges remain -- that there are still those who pray three times a day facing a certain direction, in the privacy of their quarters, and that there is a bishop in one of their cities, Rome, who guides the faithful of that offshoot.
I think most Trill humor is rather more sophisticated but one of Dax's former hosts, Curzon, spent a great deal of time among Klingons and humans and picked up their questionable taste interesting wit. I imagine that Ezri scandalizes people at home now.
My people have done a great deal of archaeology -- in addition to finding a long-missing Orb, Captain Sisko led us to the ruins of an ancient city. But after the recent experience of the Pah-wraiths and the text of Kosst Amojan, we are proceeding very slowly and carefully in our examination of the artifacts we find.
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It took them that long to realize that their gods can't be contained in a building or statue? Thats a frightening thought to think that a race that is so advanced would be so...primative.
I can see how the need to abolish such things are necessary I know in the ancient times when our military took over the government the samething happened as well. Although on Cardassia no one really believes in religion anymore, I wonder if in time this will also be the case on Earth.
So why do some pray in a certain direction or go to Rome? What is the significance of this?
At the mention of Dax's past lives he can't help but feel a little envious.
It must be nice to have eight lives of decisions and mistakes to learn from. I can imagine if we all had such an oppertunity how different things would be. Although in this case I can see how having such knowledge could also backfire on you.
His expression darkens at the mention of the PahWraiths obviously the mention of their name bears bad memories for him as well.
I can see how the need to proceed with caution would be needed in light of everything that has occured. If you do discover more relics of these fire demons I imagine you will destroy them? To prevent others from stumbling onto them I mean. Which brings up another matter how did your people deal with the followers of the "PahWraiths"?
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I'm not sure really -- I think both those cities were once of great religious importance on Earth. I know there was an empire in Rome once but I'm under the impression that that is not why people took pilgrimages there.
It must be nice to have eight lives of decisions and mistakes to learn from. I can imagine if we all had such an oppertunity how different things would be.
On the other hand, it gets very complicated -- apparently there is a Trill prohibition on remarrying someone carrying a symbiont with which a prior host was involved, which caused both Jadzia and Ezri some grief. And imagine if you were the only joined Trill in a crowd of people living only a single life? I would think one might drive oneself insane with regret after a time.
If you do discover more relics of these fire demons I imagine you will destroy them? To prevent others from stumbling onto them I mean. Which brings up another matter how did your people deal with the followers of the "PahWraiths"?
This is a subject that the Vedek Assembly is still trying to deal with. It's fairly certain that we have not found all of the relics of the Pah-wraiths, given that Dukat managed to uncover two in as many years. I am not certain what will happen to them.
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Well all the best to your people in trying to locate these Pah Wraith relics. I wish I was in your reality at least I could help locate the followers...After all having a long history as Gul Dukat's protege does have its uses.
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