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Apr 27, 2004 15:53

Which is better, democracy or monarchy?I've seen few aristocracies of any sort that were sustainable in the long run. Sooner or later, those not born to power learn to resent it and rise up to take it. I suppose that there are probably exceptions in the universe, but no matter how imperfect a system may be where the leaders are chosen by popular ( Read more... )

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curious? legate_damar April 30 2004, 00:48:17 UTC

Out of curiosity did your people ever have an aristracy? Or a monarchy for that matter?

Re: curious? col_kira_nerys April 30 2004, 17:23:12 UTC

Not a monarchy as such, no. There are those who insist that we still have an aristocracy...that the children of important leaders and vedeks are more likely to receive certain promotions, to rise to provincial governorships...certainly that was worse in previous years. But I think the worst abuses came when the caste system was more rigidly in place. It was very closely tied to Bajoran religion, and there are certainly those who took advantage of it to sieze positions of leadership while forcing their rivals into jobs that would never permit them to become a threat.

What about Cardassia? Is the military a meritocracy?

Re: curious? legate_damar May 1 2004, 21:04:58 UTC

It was very closely tied to Bajoran religion, and there are certainly those who took advantage of it to sieze positions of leadership while forcing their rivals into jobs that would never permit them to become a threat.

You had a caste system as well? Was is set up as Warrior/Religious/Worker? Did all three have a ruling vote if you don't mind my asking or was it structured differently?

I think no matter what culture or race you are in there will always be someone who is out to bend the rules and distort the order established.

Our own political system was based loosely on this as well except of course the Union being the most prominent of the structures. However now that the Obsidian order is no longer in existance everything has become distorted. Perhaps that is a good thing, but sometimes I really don't know anymore. Its hard to break free from old traditions especially ones that have been in existance for over 200yrs.

Is the military a meritocracy?It is more so then other races. Generally titles are earned by reputation and ( ... )

Re: curious? col_kira_nerys May 5 2004, 01:35:25 UTC

The d'jarras was much more comprehensive than a simple arrangement of warriors, priests and workers...it dictated the jobs that were to be available to each Bajoran, based on family titles. There was often caste-based discrimination and the system was largely abandoned, but there are still Bajorans -- notably, conservative vedeks -- who would like to bring it back. Benjamin Sisko thought that if that were to happen, it would make Bajor's admission to the Federation impossible.

I was unaware that the Obsidian Order operated in Cardassian civil society as well as among the military and politicians. Tell me, do you believe that the Order would try to reform, even after being decimated by the Dominion?

Re: curious? legate_damar May 6 2004, 22:06:17 UTC

The d'jarras was much more comprehensive than a simple arrangement of warriors, priests and workers...it dictated the jobs that were to be available to each Bajoran, based on family titles.In the past what happened to those chose to follow a career that wasn't based on their "d'jarra"? Did they become social rejects or were they openly accepted into their new trade ( ... )

Re: curious? col_kira_nerys May 8 2004, 16:18:19 UTC

In the past what happened to those chose to follow a career that wasn't based on their "d'jarra"? Did they become social rejects or were they openly accepted into their new trade?I haven't studied it since school, in Bajoran history class, but I am of the impression that this almost never happened. I very nearly had to resign from my post on Deep Space Nine when Akorem Laan tried to bring back the caste system in his misguided role as "emissary"; my family name, Kira, is of the Ih'valla d'jarra, which is the artist caste. Ironically, I was told growing up that my mother was an icon painter in Dakhur Province, though like so many things about my mother, I will never know if that was true ( ... )

Re: curious? legate_damar May 9 2004, 19:07:28 UTC

Is unable to hide his surprise when she mentions she was meant to become an artist.

An artist? Really? I thought if anything you were born to a house of warriors. Given your history and your skills as a fighter. I think it is a good thing in that sense, that the caste system did fade away from your culture. I can imagine there had to have been some who were less then happy with their vocations or like yourself felt that their talents lie elsewhere.

Smirks slightly to her remarks about the Obsidian Order.

The civilians certainly viewed the Obsidian Order more fondly then the Union did. As you said they did serve to keep our faction "in line". But the public also had little knowledge about what went on behind closed doors. So of course they were regarded as "peacekeepers".

He understands her silence concerning her peoples intelligence operations and doesn't push the issue further.Whatever covert operations do occur in your government I hope it will always serve your people properly. Everyone needs to have this sort of group in the ( ... )

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