Jeremy got me as well. 😐 Agreed D is good... I'm sorry you're having the brown issues. And sorry I have no helpful info either. The cigars/cigarillos are dreadful. Tried but also could not deal with them. Quite intetested tho about your us supplier. I don't of know of them! Had one years ago but lost touch. Would you let me know? I myself am Djarum super fan. We east coasters are going thru same type of issues. Really sux. Hang in best you can!
No. The FDA wants to ban menthols. Biden has actually STOPPED the ban several times.
And yeah, smoking is bad but so are a LOT of things. Things that are perfectly legal. Hell, they banned cloves claiming that they tempt kids to smoke because they taste good?!? THEY SELL WEED IN CANDY NOW! Legally. Weed infused candy!
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with that. If people want to eat weed candy then I hope they enjoy it. I just find it ridiculous that cloves get banned cause “think of the children!!” but MARIJUANA CANDY DOESNT
I’m angry if you can’t already tell I stabbed the wall in my kitchen during a nic fit Things are not going well at the moment
Biden only held them back because he's afraid of losing the black vote as they are the #1 market for menthols and back during Obama's flavored cigarette ban, Sharpton threatened riots if menthols got banned.
They can't help themselves though, so it'll happen eventually - that or they'll hit us with some obscene tobacco tax like Australia, where the tax is around $25 per PACK.
I cannot deny there was pressure from the Congressional Black Caucus against the ban. And I don’t blame them or Biden. It’s discriminatory IMO as is the ban on Cloves.
As I said, yeah, smoking is bad but they allow for lots of bad things. Targeting flavored cigs that represented about 1-2% of sales but are customary for certain minorities? Yeah, that’s a problem
I’m hoping with the new SCOTUS ruling the FDA ban can be overturned! I don’t know who will push for it tho. For crying out loud, I’d do it if I had the time, connections and money to make a fuss
Sigh, yeah - that's the problem - clove and other flavored cigarette smokers are too small a minority so unless we get someone with the money and/or fame coming out and advocating for us...blacks are 13% of the voters while we're 1-2% of smokers, meaning a fraction of one percent of the voters AND we're asking for what most folks consider to be bad for kids to be made legal again.
Nope, we're screwed even if the SCOTUS ruling could be used to overturn the ban unless a clove smoker wins the lottery and decides to spend a few million of those winnings getting us legal again.
Thing is, given what the law “claims” to be about, there should be an exception made for those who want to smoke cloves. We aren’t talking about crack after all! Everything in a clove is perfectly legal
We should be able to buy for ourselves individually if we can prove ourselves of age and pay whatever taxes are required to import them.
From everything I’ve read we *should* be able to do this. Problem is, it’s impossible to find real detailed information about it. Between the taxes and shipping there are hoops to jump
Doesn’t anyone know a lawyer? Someone has to know a lawyer who might know something about all this 😭
I wonder if I can jump on “Ask an Expert” and get advice! I think it’s only $35 to have a chat with experts in any field
Back when this stuff when nuclear, I looked into getting the licenses needed to import the 76s without having customs confiscate them - way too expensive - no, I don't have the info anymore.
The reality actually is that we are permitted to import up to four cartons at a time - that's the actual law - customs is not legally permitted to confiscate our shipments, so if you've got the money to hire a lawyer, you can sue.
Mind you, your last shipment will already have been destroyed and they won't put any sort of alert in the system to not confiscate the next shipment, meaning you'll have to sue again when they do so and every time someone fails to remember not to confiscate cigarettes being sent to you, but maybe after it happens enough, you could claim that they're acting with malice and maybe get a large enough settlement to get back most of the money you spent on lawyers, thus allowing you to continue to afford to sue them every time they confiscate and destroy a shipment.
Rinse and repeat until you run out patience or money.
Any idea of what I’d even search for in Google to find this info?!? I come up with nothing
I did find someone living in Indonesia who said they see my cigs but they were terrified to ship them thinking it’d get them in trouble. The things are like $1 per pack! Dirt cheap. I told them I think it’s perfectly legal to send small amounts, 1-4 cartons at a time. They remained unconvinced
The USPS website has info on shipping cigarettes so even they agree you can legally do so. But I don’t know exactly what’s needed to arrange it
Do I need to make friends with someone at a gas station who is licensed to sell them? Or an importer who has a license to import goods?
The people at his website told “Jeremey was in an accident.” I have no idea if he’s even the person behind the business anymore or if it’s him and he’s lying
I was doing research and found that USPS allows for the shipment of cigs for personal use. How many? I don’t know. How tax is paid? I don’t know! I wish I could figure this all out
It seems like there might be a way to legally do this but everyone involved speaks different languages and the sellers probably want to make huge profit and do things illegally on their end too. They probably need to pay export taxes which would eat from their profits
I don’t even know who to contact to figure this all out! USPS says they need age verification for delivery so they are obviously ok with shipments. I think the big problem is tax evasion and that’s what they try to prevent via customs
I’d pay more if I could just get these things!!
Cloveroverhate, I have Supers on their way to me now. It might be too late already but I can try to order extra if you want to take some off my hands
Hello mrs_browns Thanks for your reply. Personal use is key words, for sure! Wish it was as simple as that tho...
Jeremy seemed to be a real person, I would email him well wishes from time to time and it seemed he was the one to reply back. ?? "He" eventually told me he was broke. Nonetheless that "era" is over.
Not sure what you mean about "it might be too late" to order extra. Because I would be willing take some supers off your hands. Let me know.
If you don't mind, where on East Coast are you? I'm in Florida.
Also thanks for all the info you posted in your reply. I currently have order that's been in L.A. California since 1st week of July, tracking states cleared customs, but hasnt move since. However I have then received the next 2 from D. Hit and miss type junk. All the taxes info is mostly above my head, unfortunately.
Btw, does this site have a way to DM eachother or are these messages just posted in the clove live journal thread/community. It's been quite awhile since I have been active on here.
The person I buy from is really quick with shipping! I sent payment and like an hour or so later I got the picture of my package and tracking number. Thats what I meant earlier by it might be “too late.” I had already ordered and they already paid for the label
I hope I like them. They have to be better than the Mr Brown Coffee I ordered last. They are GROSS!! I have been trying to smoke them just to satisfy the cravings but they are stomach churning. I’m praying the Supers are more tolerable
I’m going to see if there’s a way to DM you info. I don’t want to exchange everything out in the open as to protect people and sources 😉
I hope they will be tolerable/satisfying for you too. I believe you'll be able to stomach them, just don't think they are as strong as browns.
Appreciate! you trying to figure out DM aspect here. ☺
When I was more active here years ago, could swear there was DM way. But hell if I know know.
Met someone on this site back then, and we even became "internet friends"... emailed & talked on phone. They were all in on browns too! Can't imagine we exchanged personal email addresses out in the open tho. 👀 haha.
I'm sorry you're having the brown issues. And sorry I have no helpful info either. The cigars/cigarillos are dreadful.
Tried but also could not deal with them.
Quite intetested tho about your us supplier. I don't of know of them! Had one years ago but lost touch.
Would you let me know?
I myself am Djarum super fan.
We east coasters are going thru same type of issues. Really sux. Hang in best you can!
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It likely is only going to get worse with the imports, especially if the menthol cigarette ban the Democrats are threatening goes through.
@#$% Obama as he's the one who started this problem with his flavored cigarette ban.
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And yeah, smoking is bad but so are a LOT of things. Things that are perfectly legal. Hell, they banned cloves claiming that they tempt kids to smoke because they taste good?!? THEY SELL WEED IN CANDY NOW! Legally. Weed infused candy!
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with that. If people want to eat weed candy then I hope they enjoy it. I just find it ridiculous that cloves get banned cause “think of the children!!” but MARIJUANA CANDY DOESNT
I’m angry if you can’t already tell
I stabbed the wall in my kitchen during a nic fit
Things are not going well at the moment
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Biden only held them back because he's afraid of losing the black vote as they are the #1 market for menthols and back during Obama's flavored cigarette ban, Sharpton threatened riots if menthols got banned.
They can't help themselves though, so it'll happen eventually - that or they'll hit us with some obscene tobacco tax like Australia, where the tax is around $25 per PACK.
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As I said, yeah, smoking is bad but they allow for lots of bad things. Targeting flavored cigs that represented about 1-2% of sales but are customary for certain minorities? Yeah, that’s a problem
I’m hoping with the new SCOTUS ruling the FDA ban can be overturned! I don’t know who will push for it tho. For crying out loud, I’d do it if I had the time, connections and money to make a fuss
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Sigh, yeah - that's the problem - clove and other flavored cigarette smokers are too small a minority so unless we get someone with the money and/or fame coming out and advocating for us...blacks are 13% of the voters while we're 1-2% of smokers, meaning a fraction of one percent of the voters AND we're asking for what most folks consider to be bad for kids to be made legal again.
Nope, we're screwed even if the SCOTUS ruling could be used to overturn the ban unless a clove smoker wins the lottery and decides to spend a few million of those winnings getting us legal again.
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Thing is, given what the law “claims” to be about, there should be an exception made for those who want to smoke cloves. We aren’t talking about crack after all! Everything in a clove is perfectly legal
We should be able to buy for ourselves individually if we can prove ourselves of age and pay whatever taxes are required to import them.
From everything I’ve read we *should* be able to do this. Problem is, it’s impossible to find real detailed information about it. Between the taxes and shipping there are hoops to jump
Doesn’t anyone know a lawyer? Someone has to know a lawyer who might know something about all this 😭
I wonder if I can jump on “Ask an Expert” and get advice! I think it’s only $35 to have a chat with experts in any field
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Back when this stuff when nuclear, I looked into getting the licenses needed to import the 76s without having customs confiscate them - way too expensive - no, I don't have the info anymore.
The reality actually is that we are permitted to import up to four cartons at a time - that's the actual law - customs is not legally permitted to confiscate our shipments, so if you've got the money to hire a lawyer, you can sue.
Mind you, your last shipment will already have been destroyed and they won't put any sort of alert in the system to not confiscate the next shipment, meaning you'll have to sue again when they do so and every time someone fails to remember not to confiscate cigarettes being sent to you, but maybe after it happens enough, you could claim that they're acting with malice and maybe get a large enough settlement to get back most of the money you spent on lawyers, thus allowing you to continue to afford to sue them every time they confiscate and destroy a shipment.
Rinse and repeat until you run out patience or money.
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I did find someone living in Indonesia who said they see my cigs but they were terrified to ship them thinking it’d get them in trouble. The things are like $1 per pack! Dirt cheap. I told them I think it’s perfectly legal to send small amounts, 1-4 cartons at a time. They remained unconvinced
The USPS website has info on shipping cigarettes so even they agree you can legally do so. But I don’t know exactly what’s needed to arrange it
Do I need to make friends with someone at a gas station who is licensed to sell them? Or an importer who has a license to import goods?
Ugh. If anyone has any clue I’d appreciate it
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I was doing research and found that USPS allows for the shipment of cigs for personal use. How many? I don’t know. How tax is paid? I don’t know! I wish I could figure this all out
It seems like there might be a way to legally do this but everyone involved speaks different languages and the sellers probably want to make huge profit and do things illegally on their end too. They probably need to pay export taxes which would eat from their profits
I don’t even know who to contact to figure this all out! USPS says they need age verification for delivery so they are obviously ok with shipments. I think the big problem is tax evasion and that’s what they try to prevent via customs
I’d pay more if I could just get these things!!
Cloveroverhate, I have Supers on their way to me now. It might be too late already but I can try to order extra if you want to take some off my hands
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Thanks for your reply.
Personal use is key words, for sure! Wish it was as simple as that tho...
Jeremy seemed to be a real person, I would email him well wishes from time to time and it seemed he was the one to reply back. ??
"He" eventually told me he was broke. Nonetheless that "era" is over.
Not sure what you mean about "it might be too late" to order extra. Because I would be willing take some supers off your hands. Let me know.
If you don't mind, where on East Coast are you? I'm in Florida.
Also thanks for all the info you posted in your reply. I currently have order that's been in L.A. California since 1st week of July, tracking states cleared customs, but hasnt move since. However I have then received the next 2 from D. Hit and miss type junk. All the taxes info is mostly above my head, unfortunately.
Btw, does this site have a way to DM eachother or are these messages just posted in the clove live journal thread/community. It's been quite awhile since I have been active on here.
Thanks again. ☮
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I hope I like them. They have to be better than the Mr Brown Coffee I ordered last. They are GROSS!! I have been trying to smoke them just to satisfy the cravings but they are stomach churning. I’m praying the Supers are more tolerable
I’m going to see if there’s a way to DM you info. I don’t want to exchange everything out in the open as to protect people and sources 😉
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Appreciate! you trying to figure out DM aspect here. ☺
When I was more active here years ago, could swear there was DM way. But hell if I know know.
Met someone on this site back then, and we even became "internet friends"... emailed & talked on phone. They were all in on browns too!
Can't imagine we exchanged personal email addresses out in the open tho. 👀 haha.
Stay positive!
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