Hannibal follow-up/linkspam
I wanted to have this up on Monday, but given that this is our first Thursday without an episode, maybe it's just as well that I saved it a few days.
(The NBC Hannibal tumblr is here for you, and understands your suffering.)
BREAKING NEWS: They weren't kidding: David Bowie has, in fact, been offered a role on the show.
An offer has been made for Bowie to appear on season two of Hannibal, showrunner Bryan Fuller tells E! News exclusively. "We have reached out to David Bowie to see if he’s interested and available," Fuller reveals. “We would love for him to play Hannibal’s uncle, who is a character from the literature and in the books." Fuller explains “we don’t have an answer yet," but is hopeful Bowie can join the NBC series, which resumes production in August in Toronto.
EVEN WILL'S DOGS CANNOT HEAR THE SOUND I AM MAKING
(It was hours before I even noticed that they're talking about Chi McBride for Barney, that's how long it took me to stop screaming.)
To begin (again), a few of the post-finale articles that came out:
As mentioned in the recap, Hannibal Finale Postmortem: Creator Bryan Fuller Answers Our Burning Questions.
As partly mentioned in the recap, Alan Sepinwall's two-part interview (season one spoilers) (potential season two spoilers).
A really great Buzzfeed article about food stylist Janice Poon and shooting the cooking scenes.
And also, Tattle Crime's great interviews with Bryan Fuller from earlier in the season and, now, executive producer Martha De Laurentiis. And then, the Which One of These Is Not Like The Others interview with me that went up today. It's nearly as long as the first episode recap because there is no shutting me up, so if you're in wordiness withdrawal... Cleolinda Industries is here for you. The questions were really good; we ended up talking about why I started recapping the show, how it compares to writing the various Movies in Fifteen Minuteses, why Silence of the Lambs is my favorite movie, the casting on the show, the portrayals of female characters and mental illness, unanswered season one questions, and yes, shipping, so you see why the interview is so long, okay.
I'm hoping none of my answers are terribly controversial, although I did take a stand on the whole Abigail question that y'all might not like.
@Tattle_Crime: Officially I will be referring to @cleolinda as "Miss Cleo" from now on.
@cleolinda: @Tattle_Crime Well, I do call you "Miss Freddie," so that seems reasonable.
(I... I might have told her that I'm Cleolinda Jones formally, Cleo generally, and "Miss Cleo if you're tasty.")
ALSO:
A few more scheduling details on the Hannibal SDCC panel.
SECOND SEASON WRITING BEGINS MONDAY.
For those of y'all hoping the show would get some recognition, it's been on a number of "best shows of the season" lists, and has also been nominated for a ton of Golden Europe Television Awards.
One site even expressed its approval with gifs. (HEY! CASINO ROYALE IS CHEATING!)
Follow-ups on the finale itself (spoilers):
OH MY GOD, THE FISHING LURE KIT WILL WAS GOING TO GIVE ABIGAIL IN EPISODE 4.
Cannibal teleportation: murder wizard WENDIGO powers.
Re: werewolf mythology: Hannibal is Dracula and Will is the Wolf Man; " Never should've eaten that sausage, Will."
As a side note, editor Michael Doherty ended up confirming the "Georgia rode back with Will" theory. \o/
What does Bedelia know? An official answer that doesn't really spoil anything, and yet, means that her behavior so far is REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING. (I'm assuming that "anything" doesn't include "that thing they basically told us he did.")
Meanwhile, there was a bit of meta that I ended up cutting for space and pacing in the second finale post, and it was at the "Oh, now we're not so hot on the murderation thing, are we? (Would it be worth it to Lecter, I wonder, if his death was the only way to complete Will's corruption?)" point. The comparison that occurred to me was with the Joker in The Dark Knight--specifically the scene where he turns up in Harvey Dent's hospital room. He gives Harvey a gun and says, "I'm an agent of chaos. And you know the thing about chaos? It's fair." And when Harvey takes out that coin he always likes to flip--the Joker actually looks really, really pleased. Here's a character who wants to corrupt "Gotham's white knight" and turn him into a killer (and he succeeds), and if his own death accomplishes that--he lived by chaos and he'll die by chaos, and it's perfect to him. I've often said that this version of the Joker reminds me more of a trickster god, a nameless embodiment of chaos with no real back story or origin--we don't know where he came from, and we don't even see what happens to him afterwards. I mean, we can assume Arkham Asylum, but as far as what the film shows us, he might as well be an ephemeral force of nature. Meanwhile, over here, we have Hannibal, the "fallen angel" identified with the supernatural wendigo in Will's mind, a bit of a trickster figure himself who specifically tells us that the motive behind several of his crimes was, "I was curious to see what would happen." We even have another "corrupting the hero" moment--Will should "cultivate" his urges to kill "as the inspirations they are"--and the hero is not corrupted, but does point the gun back at the Agent of Chaos. And NOW the trickster is all, "Are you a killer? You. Right now. This man standing in front of me. Is this who you really are?" and suddenly we are back-pedaling like whoa. And so, this whole tangent was going to end with, "Whereas all's fair in love and chaos for Hannibal Lecter right up until it starts to suck for him." Not that one villain is superior to the other--but that one of them really is more like an abstract force of nature, and the other one (as we see on the show) still has some sense of self and mortality. (Fin.)
Remember the scene where Will dropped by Alana's house that they cut? Here's another picture from it.
@winston_graham: hannibal visited alana today. he has a tear in his pants leg now. sorry not sorry
On the other hand, there are some things we still do not know. My mother (who avidly reads y'all's comments despite having no clue what's going on) gave the finale recap a shot:
@cleolinda: My mother just texted to ask how [1st scene] in the #Hannibal finale happened. "We attribute it to his murder wizard powers." "Oh ok those."
Speaking of ears,
@munin_and_hugin: This is mighty intriguing! tmblr.co/ZtxrTyoHap83 Especially wrt that historical Abigail
More from the comments:
Will's primary defense.
"You're in a murder house with the killer you could kill like." And then Old Spice Hannibal happened.
I also made the mistake of saying that he's "like the xenomorph, really, only with a better wardrobe." Fan art ensued.
@LaraJeanC [Freddie]: Where in the world is LJ? #inaweofthisplace #eerilybeautifulmemorial #nogoogleimagecheating pic.twitter.com/Ddf3sr8Hue
@DemoreBarnes [Tobias]: Hannibal's closet.
@winston_graham: how ironic would it be if the ravenstag's name was donner? i'm not sure if this a reindeer joke or a cannibalism joke
Tumblr fun:
See? (#i SEE myself kicking Hannibal in the shin #When he looks back up I just yell YOU KNOW WHY #Then I use the grappling hook in my utility belt to make a dramatic escape)
Oh, PLEASE let us see someone actually realize this on the show.
Fandom, draw me a clock.
PSA: I AM NOT THE CHESAPEAKE LIVETWEETER (omg I want to live)
The fandom apologizes for eating Tumblr's mascot. "FLUFFY CHICKEN GIRL I’M SORRY"
Remember that time Aaron Abrams joked about Brian standing outside Alana's window with a boombox?
I have been waving Will Graham Has A Nice Day at people like a magic happy wand, so: consider yourself waved-upon.
SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP OUR DADDY.
Therapeutic dogpile. You guys, the little dog with the teeth, I can't.
"and that motherfucker took me away from my dogs. I bet you did not expect a fight from the graham cracker"
@AJK124: I saw this picture and immediately thought of @DireRavenstag. You have RUINED me.
@cleolinda: }:D
@DireRavenstag: I'm pretty sure I'm offended. That is one fugly hat. Just what are you trying to say?
@Athenasbanquet: Uh. Guys. I'm pretty sure offending the Ravenstag is the opposite of a good life choice.
@cleolinda: That we see your majesty everywhere, though mortals cannot hope to compare! You are *always with us.*
@AJK124: yes! Yes that!!!!
@DireRavenstag: *eyes you both*. Adequate response, fleshmeats. FOR NOW.
@AJK124: *whispers* thank you Cleo for saving me from what was surely going to be a horrendous night of sleep.
@cleolinda: *capeswoosh* *cape is plaid*
I don't even go looking for fan art per se, but I've already seen a ton of really cool stuff just on the two or three tumblrs I keep an eye on:
So basically, stags, and then also some dogs, seem to be my primary artistic requirements. May I suggest Dire Ravenstag's "fanart of me" tag generally?
(The dogs. The glasses.)
@DireRavenstag: @cleolinda Thank you for quoting me so often in your recaps! You are my favorite non-Will-shaped fleshmeat. For now, at least.
@cleolinda: @DireRavenstag Most welcome--I cannot help but pay homage to your eloquence. You are definitely my favorite eldritch thoughtform.
@mstorijo: Hey, @cleolinda! The internet no longer sees you as a twilight blogger first!! pic.twitter.com/9NIvoSZXsD
FLAWLESS VICTORY.
(I really truly am okay with people associating me with Twilight, because I had a lot of fun writing about that. I'd just prefer it not be the only thing people associate me with.)
As far as the rest of the summer's concerned... I need to go back into the Fortress of Solitude and get (more) writing done, but this is the time of year when I actually have some get-up-and-go, so I'll probably be around? (And of course I'm usually on Twitter and sometimes on Tumblr.) I'm going to do the Matter of Taste podcast next month, and then go back on Anglo-Filles in the fall. I don't know what I'll post about next, but I still have the other Game of Thrones books to read, and I'd like to pick up with the Varney the Vampyre recaps again--just on a very loose, spontaneous non-schedule. (I want to get back to The Secret Life of Dolls, but I find that swearing I'll do something only means that life gets in the way of actually doing it. So I swear not to swear.) And I promised to recap the NBC Dracula in the fall, although I'd like to do the first episode and see if I like it before I commit to the whole season. I'm trying to accept my limitations up front, and I have some ideas for different ways to handle Dracula show posts if things take a personal downturn. At this point, Hannibal season two will be my priority in terms of TV (as well as spring just being a better time of year for me generally), so I'm more concerned about finishing the Novel of the Damned and not burning myself out right now. That said, this Halloween will be the tenth anniversary of this LJ, so maybe we can think of something fun to do then.
(The NBC Hannibal tumblr is here for you, and understands your suffering.)
BREAKING NEWS: They weren't kidding: David Bowie has, in fact, been offered a role on the show.
An offer has been made for Bowie to appear on season two of Hannibal, showrunner Bryan Fuller tells E! News exclusively. "We have reached out to David Bowie to see if he’s interested and available," Fuller reveals. “We would love for him to play Hannibal’s uncle, who is a character from the literature and in the books." Fuller explains “we don’t have an answer yet," but is hopeful Bowie can join the NBC series, which resumes production in August in Toronto.
EVEN WILL'S DOGS CANNOT HEAR THE SOUND I AM MAKING
(It was hours before I even noticed that they're talking about Chi McBride for Barney, that's how long it took me to stop screaming.)
To begin (again), a few of the post-finale articles that came out:
As mentioned in the recap, Hannibal Finale Postmortem: Creator Bryan Fuller Answers Our Burning Questions.
As partly mentioned in the recap, Alan Sepinwall's two-part interview (season one spoilers) (potential season two spoilers).
A really great Buzzfeed article about food stylist Janice Poon and shooting the cooking scenes.
And also, Tattle Crime's great interviews with Bryan Fuller from earlier in the season and, now, executive producer Martha De Laurentiis. And then, the Which One of These Is Not Like The Others interview with me that went up today. It's nearly as long as the first episode recap because there is no shutting me up, so if you're in wordiness withdrawal... Cleolinda Industries is here for you. The questions were really good; we ended up talking about why I started recapping the show, how it compares to writing the various Movies in Fifteen Minuteses, why Silence of the Lambs is my favorite movie, the casting on the show, the portrayals of female characters and mental illness, unanswered season one questions, and yes, shipping, so you see why the interview is so long, okay.
I'm hoping none of my answers are terribly controversial, although I did take a stand on the whole Abigail question that y'all might not like.
@Tattle_Crime: Officially I will be referring to @cleolinda as "Miss Cleo" from now on.
@cleolinda: @Tattle_Crime Well, I do call you "Miss Freddie," so that seems reasonable.
(I... I might have told her that I'm Cleolinda Jones formally, Cleo generally, and "Miss Cleo if you're tasty.")
ALSO:
A few more scheduling details on the Hannibal SDCC panel.
SECOND SEASON WRITING BEGINS MONDAY.
For those of y'all hoping the show would get some recognition, it's been on a number of "best shows of the season" lists, and has also been nominated for a ton of Golden Europe Television Awards.
One site even expressed its approval with gifs. (HEY! CASINO ROYALE IS CHEATING!)
Follow-ups on the finale itself (spoilers):
OH MY GOD, THE FISHING LURE KIT WILL WAS GOING TO GIVE ABIGAIL IN EPISODE 4.
Cannibal teleportation: murder wizard WENDIGO powers.
Re: werewolf mythology: Hannibal is Dracula and Will is the Wolf Man; " Never should've eaten that sausage, Will."
As a side note, editor Michael Doherty ended up confirming the "Georgia rode back with Will" theory. \o/
What does Bedelia know? An official answer that doesn't really spoil anything, and yet, means that her behavior so far is REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING. (I'm assuming that "anything" doesn't include "that thing they basically told us he did.")
Meanwhile, there was a bit of meta that I ended up cutting for space and pacing in the second finale post, and it was at the "Oh, now we're not so hot on the murderation thing, are we? (Would it be worth it to Lecter, I wonder, if his death was the only way to complete Will's corruption?)" point. The comparison that occurred to me was with the Joker in The Dark Knight--specifically the scene where he turns up in Harvey Dent's hospital room. He gives Harvey a gun and says, "I'm an agent of chaos. And you know the thing about chaos? It's fair." And when Harvey takes out that coin he always likes to flip--the Joker actually looks really, really pleased. Here's a character who wants to corrupt "Gotham's white knight" and turn him into a killer (and he succeeds), and if his own death accomplishes that--he lived by chaos and he'll die by chaos, and it's perfect to him. I've often said that this version of the Joker reminds me more of a trickster god, a nameless embodiment of chaos with no real back story or origin--we don't know where he came from, and we don't even see what happens to him afterwards. I mean, we can assume Arkham Asylum, but as far as what the film shows us, he might as well be an ephemeral force of nature. Meanwhile, over here, we have Hannibal, the "fallen angel" identified with the supernatural wendigo in Will's mind, a bit of a trickster figure himself who specifically tells us that the motive behind several of his crimes was, "I was curious to see what would happen." We even have another "corrupting the hero" moment--Will should "cultivate" his urges to kill "as the inspirations they are"--and the hero is not corrupted, but does point the gun back at the Agent of Chaos. And NOW the trickster is all, "Are you a killer? You. Right now. This man standing in front of me. Is this who you really are?" and suddenly we are back-pedaling like whoa. And so, this whole tangent was going to end with, "Whereas all's fair in love and chaos for Hannibal Lecter right up until it starts to suck for him." Not that one villain is superior to the other--but that one of them really is more like an abstract force of nature, and the other one (as we see on the show) still has some sense of self and mortality. (Fin.)
Remember the scene where Will dropped by Alana's house that they cut? Here's another picture from it.
@winston_graham: hannibal visited alana today. he has a tear in his pants leg now. sorry not sorry
On the other hand, there are some things we still do not know. My mother (who avidly reads y'all's comments despite having no clue what's going on) gave the finale recap a shot:
@cleolinda: My mother just texted to ask how [1st scene] in the #Hannibal finale happened. "We attribute it to his murder wizard powers." "Oh ok those."
Speaking of ears,
@munin_and_hugin: This is mighty intriguing! tmblr.co/ZtxrTyoHap83 Especially wrt that historical Abigail
More from the comments:
Will's primary defense.
"You're in a murder house with the killer you could kill like." And then Old Spice Hannibal happened.
I also made the mistake of saying that he's "like the xenomorph, really, only with a better wardrobe." Fan art ensued.
@LaraJeanC [Freddie]: Where in the world is LJ? #inaweofthisplace #eerilybeautifulmemorial #nogoogleimagecheating pic.twitter.com/Ddf3sr8Hue
@DemoreBarnes [Tobias]: Hannibal's closet.
@winston_graham: how ironic would it be if the ravenstag's name was donner? i'm not sure if this a reindeer joke or a cannibalism joke
Tumblr fun:
See? (#i SEE myself kicking Hannibal in the shin #When he looks back up I just yell YOU KNOW WHY #Then I use the grappling hook in my utility belt to make a dramatic escape)
Oh, PLEASE let us see someone actually realize this on the show.
Fandom, draw me a clock.
PSA: I AM NOT THE CHESAPEAKE LIVETWEETER (omg I want to live)
The fandom apologizes for eating Tumblr's mascot. "FLUFFY CHICKEN GIRL I’M SORRY"
Remember that time Aaron Abrams joked about Brian standing outside Alana's window with a boombox?
I have been waving Will Graham Has A Nice Day at people like a magic happy wand, so: consider yourself waved-upon.
SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP OUR DADDY.
Therapeutic dogpile. You guys, the little dog with the teeth, I can't.
"and that motherfucker took me away from my dogs. I bet you did not expect a fight from the graham cracker"
@AJK124: I saw this picture and immediately thought of @DireRavenstag. You have RUINED me.
@cleolinda: }:D
@DireRavenstag: I'm pretty sure I'm offended. That is one fugly hat. Just what are you trying to say?
@Athenasbanquet: Uh. Guys. I'm pretty sure offending the Ravenstag is the opposite of a good life choice.
@cleolinda: That we see your majesty everywhere, though mortals cannot hope to compare! You are *always with us.*
@AJK124: yes! Yes that!!!!
@DireRavenstag: *eyes you both*. Adequate response, fleshmeats. FOR NOW.
@AJK124: *whispers* thank you Cleo for saving me from what was surely going to be a horrendous night of sleep.
@cleolinda: *capeswoosh* *cape is plaid*
I don't even go looking for fan art per se, but I've already seen a ton of really cool stuff just on the two or three tumblrs I keep an eye on:
So basically, stags, and then also some dogs, seem to be my primary artistic requirements. May I suggest Dire Ravenstag's "fanart of me" tag generally?
(The dogs. The glasses.)
@DireRavenstag: @cleolinda Thank you for quoting me so often in your recaps! You are my favorite non-Will-shaped fleshmeat. For now, at least.
@cleolinda: @DireRavenstag Most welcome--I cannot help but pay homage to your eloquence. You are definitely my favorite eldritch thoughtform.
@mstorijo: Hey, @cleolinda! The internet no longer sees you as a twilight blogger first!! pic.twitter.com/9NIvoSZXsD
FLAWLESS VICTORY.
(I really truly am okay with people associating me with Twilight, because I had a lot of fun writing about that. I'd just prefer it not be the only thing people associate me with.)
As far as the rest of the summer's concerned... I need to go back into the Fortress of Solitude and get (more) writing done, but this is the time of year when I actually have some get-up-and-go, so I'll probably be around? (And of course I'm usually on Twitter and sometimes on Tumblr.) I'm going to do the Matter of Taste podcast next month, and then go back on Anglo-Filles in the fall. I don't know what I'll post about next, but I still have the other Game of Thrones books to read, and I'd like to pick up with the Varney the Vampyre recaps again--just on a very loose, spontaneous non-schedule. (I want to get back to The Secret Life of Dolls, but I find that swearing I'll do something only means that life gets in the way of actually doing it. So I swear not to swear.) And I promised to recap the NBC Dracula in the fall, although I'd like to do the first episode and see if I like it before I commit to the whole season. I'm trying to accept my limitations up front, and I have some ideas for different ways to handle Dracula show posts if things take a personal downturn. At this point, Hannibal season two will be my priority in terms of TV (as well as spring just being a better time of year for me generally), so I'm more concerned about finishing the Novel of the Damned and not burning myself out right now. That said, this Halloween will be the tenth anniversary of this LJ, so maybe we can think of something fun to do then.