Hannibal 1x12: "Relevés"

Jun 15, 2013 22:26

BEFORE THE SHOW

@cleolinda: I am straight-up drinking through tonight's episode. #SOEXCITED #SOSCARED

AFTER THE SHOW

@cleolinda: I'm not okay, you guys, everything is terrible, I'm not okaaaaaay, oh God I can't wait to recap this

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cleolinda June 16 2013, 04:31:48 UTC
the fact that he then saved her makes it more interesting.

This seems like one of the reasons he's gotten overconfident about being "curious"--nothing really bad will happen, right? He sent that guy to her, but he saved her in time, right?

Also, I have to say that despite Abigail circling Hannibal’s activities for a while, I can’t blame her for not putting it together before now. Even if she thought something was off with him, I don’t blame her for not jumping right to ‘he’s the most evil serial killer ever’, because who would.

Well, and also, I think there's a survival mechanism--denial--at work here. I mean (let me pull this up), in EPISODE THREE, she says, "I think you called the house as a serial killer. Just like my dad." And the episode ends with her sort of thinking this over, like she's having an epiphany--but in retrospect, I almost wonder if it wasn't more like her brain was resetting itself. NOPE, CAN'T HANDLE THAT. She realizes what he's served everyone for dinner: NOPE, GONNA GET HUGS INSTEAD. And both of those moments came after he'd gotten her in his power with the "hiding the body" thing. You could probably end up having a lot of brain resets to get you through that kind of thing.

He just calmly, detachedly, talks about killing because he was curious, and for no other reason. He’s letting his mask fall, not just in a facial expression, but in his words.
The delivery on the line, “I was curious… what you would do,” was just SO creepy to me.

And the little finger point! "I was curious when I killed Marissa" was the line that got me, though. Because that was just unequivocal "I did that." And he NEVER says things like that, not even when Gideon asked if he was the Ripper.

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goldenusagi June 16 2013, 04:41:44 UTC
Also, regarding Bedelia: I wonder what his endgame for that scenario was? Why send a problem patient to her and save her? Especially as it showed her something about him. Or was that the goal--to see what would happen if she 'saw' him?

In 1.03, Abigail says, "They think whoever called the house is a serial killer, just like my dad." Which seemed to be a way of asking without saying what she thought. I do think there's a healthy bit of denial going on there. Because what are the odds that she's found ANOTHER serial killer. I'm just not sure why in this episode she confronts him, if not for the fact that she can't ignore all the little things that are adding up (and adding up quickly at this point).

And the little finger point!

YES. HOW CAN FINGER POINTING BE SO CREEPY.

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cleolinda June 16 2013, 04:50:23 UTC
The way she stepped back from him... I think she kind of already knew it was too late. He was just way too calm about "They're going to arrest you and they'll think Will killed everyone." Right after "I was so worried about you," something seemed to switch off, and I think she could tell, on some level. It wasn't so much confronting him as getting answers before the inevitable happened, maybe.

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mokie June 16 2013, 05:22:22 UTC
I'm just not sure why in this episode she confronts him, if not for the fact that she can't ignore all the little things that are adding up (and adding up quickly at this point).

I think she figured out at that point that she'd gotten the pair mixed up. She thought of Will as shaky, crazy, too much in the head like her own dad, and not quite safe, while Hannibal was cool, collected, in-control and kept their secrets and promised protection. Oops.

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tabbyclaw June 16 2013, 09:24:59 UTC
She learned far too late that Shaggy Dad was only shaggy on the outside.

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cleolinda June 16 2013, 14:01:05 UTC
What's that line about Aragorn--"looks foul and feels fair"?

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championlurker June 16 2013, 14:38:11 UTC
Did Aragorn smell overwhelmingly of dog?

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mokie June 16 2013, 21:24:23 UTC
Yes, even though he didn't have any...

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clodia_risa June 17 2013, 04:25:12 UTC
My half-formed theory on Bedelia relates to Hannibal's relationships in general. With the exception of Will, the men we see him interacting with are generally colleagues of some variety, and we do not see any dissatisfaction in those relationships. Except for when he murders them for rudeness. The women he interacts with (Alana, Abigail, Bedelia) all seem to be important to him. He wants some sort of recognition, something close to affection or friendship from them. And in two of these three cases (Abigail, Alana), he holds the superior position, whether due to age or education and position. Bedelia is in a superior position due to her longer years of practicing psychology as well as being his psychiatrist. She was in more control of their situation and relationship. I think he sent the violent patient to retake control of the relationship. I'm sure that he wasn't certain exactly what would happen - whether the violent patient threatened her, and they were forced to work together; whether she was forced to show some weakness. I don't know if it got out of control, like it did in this season, which is why he had to show himself to her. But I think it worked. He is the only patient that she kept after quitting the practice. He dictates their relationship now, and everything is in its rightful place.

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goldenusagi June 17 2013, 04:32:43 UTC
Interesting. A lot of what he does is about maintaining power and control in his relationships.

And he does end up being her only patient. But IDK, the way she talked to him in this episode still seemed to be coming from a place of power from her. This is one episode where they don't talk in vague circles as much. She tells him emphatically to stop what he's doing.

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cleolinda June 17 2013, 05:11:39 UTC
Hm--I like that, but I don't know that everything's entirely in its rightful place for him; I think he would like it to be, and he does seem to have a certain amount of control, but she also seems to elude him in certain ways. He seems to really want her approval, and yet she has no trouble dropping something like "Person Suit" on him even though he apparently saved her life. He wants friendship, but she tells him in no uncertain terms that she doesn't find that appropriate. She seems a little trapped at times, but still able to withhold from him emotionally--while also saying things like "I like you" and "Will should have more friends like him," so she doesn't seem like just a total hostage. Gahhhh, I want to know more about all this.

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gestalt1 June 18 2013, 12:57:18 UTC
Searching for some kind of Misha-esque quality in the women in his life? Being creepily paternalistic/familial but also respectful of the sort of person he would like to think she would have grown up to be. (Assuming she's even dead in this show. It would be awesome if she wasn't.) He's a man without boundaries, so he probably doesn't grok much difference between friendship and family.

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