Aand I talked so much I broke the comment box. Have some more:
...Zoe how does draping Jamie in grenades help you at all I don't understand your plan. She dressed him up like that to get even after he made that sexist joke.
I'm just going to assume the War Chief was on his last life or he got hit so badly he couldn't regenerate. Either way, ouch. Well, for those who believe the War Chief is the Master, he regenerated after his body was removed. Took him a while if that's the case, though.
Sooooo, why exactly do the Time Lords need this misty swamp maze curtain thing in their trial building? Because it's pretty. :P
Because Bernard Horsfall later on played Chancellor Goth in Deadly Assassin, a lot of fans like to think he's also Goth in this one. Likewise, Clyde Pollitt (the Time Lord with the whiny-sounding voice who takes pity on Jamie and Zoe) was also a Chancellor in The Three Doctors, and it's been more or less confirmed by Terrance Dicks and Barry Letts that it's the same character. Can't say anything about the third Time Lord, though, because his only other Who credit was as the Doctor on a stage play, but it could make for some interesting meta...
I'll admit, I'd always found Jamie's final seconds a bit goofy, and being in a roomful of people laughing along didn't really fix that. The slight goofiness is good in this case, I think. We can laugh along with Two, as it gives us hope that he'll survive the war - and kicked some redcoat ass. (Though in my personal canon he had some help along the way from a strange man dressed in velvet and a tiny girl in a blue plush coat.)
Agh, it's been over a year since I've seen The Moonbase so I honestly didn't remember that bit until you reminded me. Yes, that was an interesting touch.
Pffffftttt oh Frazer, you would say that, wouldn't you? In the past few months, I've met him twice and read his autobiography and he's just as much of an an absolute delight in person and on the page as he is on screen.
Aha! I'd remembered reading in a few places that David Troughton had shared the screen with his dad on Doctor Who at least once, but I didn't remember which serial it was.
Who did Peter Craze play in Nightmare of Eden? It's been a while since I've seen that, but it's one of the ones that I own.
That was my third theory. I'm not quite on board with the War-Chief-is-the-Master party, but I can certainly understand where it comes from.
I was a bit shocked the first time I watched the final scene the first time (a good while ago) and saw Two laughing at Jamie's charge. I was thinking "HE WAS YOUR BEST FRIEND AND HE MIGHT BE RUNNING OFF TO DIE!" But I softened to the idea after I started learning more about the Expanded Universe and Jamie's future beyond his memory wipe. Zoe, on the other hand......goddammit, Short Trips, why did you do that?
And breaking the comment box is perfectly okay. I'm always flattered when people take the time to make such long replies.
After reading this week's review of Underwater Menace at Classical Gallifrey, I remembered they also had the whole Team TARDIS's thoughts as VO in that one. My memory is just as fuzzy, it seems.
I've read that David was also in Enemy of the World, but since it was a tiny cameo in that one and the episode in question was deleted, Moor has become the only case of the two Throughtons in the same episode in existence.
Peter played one of the excise officers, Costa. I'm yet to watch Nightmare of Eden, but I've read the novelization recently and for some reason I kept picturing Costa looking like the French guy in this one.
I should point out that in my personal canon Zoe managed to regain her memories and joined the Torchwood of her time, where she bosses Jack around and keeps him on his toes. As long as I keep on repeating this to myself, I can ignore Short Trips or anything Big Finish has given me about her future, really.
I recall seeing Peter Angelides describing that story somewhere as his attempt to write an Alan Bennett monologue. And the whole purpose of an Alan Bennett monologue is that the person talking eventually comes out with an awful revelation. So the downer ending is pretty much dictated by the form of the story.
Having said that, my head canon is more along the lines of "lalala I can't hear you, it implies in the novelisation of The Mind Robber that Zoe remembered her adventures, so there."
...Zoe how does draping Jamie in grenades help you at all I don't understand your plan.
She dressed him up like that to get even after he made that sexist joke.
I'm just going to assume the War Chief was on his last life or he got hit so badly he couldn't regenerate. Either way, ouch.
Well, for those who believe the War Chief is the Master, he regenerated after his body was removed. Took him a while if that's the case, though.
Sooooo, why exactly do the Time Lords need this misty swamp maze curtain thing in their trial building?
Because it's pretty. :P
Because Bernard Horsfall later on played Chancellor Goth in Deadly Assassin, a lot of fans like to think he's also Goth in this one. Likewise, Clyde Pollitt (the Time Lord with the whiny-sounding voice who takes pity on Jamie and Zoe) was also a Chancellor in The Three Doctors, and it's been more or less confirmed by Terrance Dicks and Barry Letts that it's the same character. Can't say anything about the third Time Lord, though, because his only other Who credit was as the Doctor on a stage play, but it could make for some interesting meta...
I'll admit, I'd always found Jamie's final seconds a bit goofy, and being in a roomful of people laughing along didn't really fix that.
The slight goofiness is good in this case, I think. We can laugh along with Two, as it gives us hope that he'll survive the war - and kicked some redcoat ass. (Though in my personal canon he had some help along the way from a strange man dressed in velvet and a tiny girl in a blue plush coat.)
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Pffffftttt oh Frazer, you would say that, wouldn't you? In the past few months, I've met him twice and read his autobiography and he's just as much of an an absolute delight in person and on the page as he is on screen.
Aha! I'd remembered reading in a few places that David Troughton had shared the screen with his dad on Doctor Who at least once, but I didn't remember which serial it was.
Who did Peter Craze play in Nightmare of Eden? It's been a while since I've seen that, but it's one of the ones that I own.
That was my third theory. I'm not quite on board with the War-Chief-is-the-Master party, but I can certainly understand where it comes from.
I was a bit shocked the first time I watched the final scene the first time (a good while ago) and saw Two laughing at Jamie's charge. I was thinking "HE WAS YOUR BEST FRIEND AND HE MIGHT BE RUNNING OFF TO DIE!" But I softened to the idea after I started learning more about the Expanded Universe and Jamie's future beyond his memory wipe. Zoe, on the other hand......goddammit, Short Trips, why did you do that?
And breaking the comment box is perfectly okay. I'm always flattered when people take the time to make such long replies.
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I've read that David was also in Enemy of the World, but since it was a tiny cameo in that one and the episode in question was deleted, Moor has become the only case of the two Throughtons in the same episode in existence.
Peter played one of the excise officers, Costa. I'm yet to watch Nightmare of Eden, but I've read the novelization recently and for some reason I kept picturing Costa looking like the French guy in this one.
I should point out that in my personal canon Zoe managed to regain her memories and joined the Torchwood of her time, where she bosses Jack around and keeps him on his toes. As long as I keep on repeating this to myself, I can ignore Short Trips or anything Big Finish has given me about her future, really.
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I recall seeing Peter Angelides describing that story somewhere as his attempt to write an Alan Bennett monologue. And the whole purpose of an Alan Bennett monologue is that the person talking eventually comes out with an awful revelation. So the downer ending is pretty much dictated by the form of the story.
Having said that, my head canon is more along the lines of "lalala I can't hear you, it implies in the novelisation of The Mind Robber that Zoe remembered her adventures, so there."
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So...Zoe is Valen? It makes so much sense!
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(Given my icon, I was strongly tempted to reply simply:No.
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Yeah... Zoe is awesome. And this is why I don't read tie-in stuff - I can imagine that awesome things will eventually come her way.
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