March on DC

[citeyoursources]

Ron Paul supporters are organizing a march on Washington sometime this summer - I believe in June. It's not FOR Ron Paul, it's for anyone who is of the mind that the government has infringed on our liberties and violated the Constitution (not to mention fucked up the economy with their anti-NAP blood-for-oil war). More info at revolutionmarch.com

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[dougs_content]

So you consider the attacker to be the US, not the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, or the Iraqis disregard and attempts to violate the No-Fly Zones implemented after the first Gulf War by actively attempting to shoot down aliied planes and putting up bounties for pilots?

World War II augmented our national debt by a lot, but it also got us out of the Great Depression. Yes, the fear of China "owning us" exists, but how exactly would China "own us"? You said in your next paragraph that oil may not even follow the laws of supply/demand, so I am not sure how you can use that as an argument for this portion and then not in another.

I think the war went a bit awry, period, but I fail to see how it was all about oil. War does not increase the stability of oil production, it diminishes it. We did not establish in the constitution of Iraq that the oil would be ours, in fact, the local regions have power and gain income from the oil. At best, we would have a friendlier nation to gain oil from that was, perhaps, not involved with OPEC, and with giving Iraq as much sovereignty as they have now and more, what would keep them from not joining OPEC and getting more money for their petro?

Seriously, I just do not see it. I am trying to, I am really grinding my head as to why you would go to war for oil and then give the country you liberated, or whatever you want to call it, complete control over it, with access to all revenues from it.

I kind of agree with you on the whole price change phenomena. Oil supply has never been higher in recent, yet for some reason, we are paying record numbers during a recession in which Exxon is reporting record numbers.

[citeyoursources]

But you know, as we all do, that those were not the reasons given for our attack. In fact, wasn't the word "pre-emptive" used by the administration, because we were supposedly pre-empting another 9/11 because all the bad guys were there now?

I'm pretty sure the Iraqis do not have control over their oil. I'm pretty sure that the government we placed in power in Iraq does.

How would China own us? We're using their money to augment our resources. Hypothetically, when they say Fuck you, we perhaps won't be able to pay for a way to fight them.

[dougs_content]

The original reason, from what I recall from the Clinton admin on, was the belief, whether well established or not, that Saddam was establishing a WMD program that was under no scruitiny in a country fond of doing the UN inspector shuffle. Yes, the whole "a good offense" philosophy was invoked, and after the 18-month "rush" to war, most of our congress; the congress with top secret access to infrmation we will never see, decided for us, that Bush was correct... or they were a bunch of cowards.

We placed the government in power because before us, it was a dictatorship. Now, it is a defunct democracy... thing, that is not working nearly as well as we hoped because we are so impatient as americans that we demand they do something in a fraction of the time to accomplish the same task that took us several documents, congress's, and one bloody Civil War, to settle. There is no provisional government. Let us not forget the difference between an ineffective government, and a puppet government, and if you think they are a puppet government, they have done plenty of things to counter that argument.

The Chinese military, in comparison to the US, is a joke. They are so far behind in hardware, technology, tactics... everything. If they are so powerful, why is Taiwan still Taiwan? Also, the Chinese are not stupid. Why would you kill your biggest bill payer and trader. Their economy thrives on us buying generic drugs and Mardi Gras beads from them. Who is going to buy all those beads when we are dead?

[citeyoursources]

I'm honestly too tired to respond much, but yes, we went for those "WMDs" - those mystical WMDs we had no proof of, that hadn't been used. Hence, first attack.

I have no reason to be patient about the government there - I didn't want it there. What right do we have to spread "democracy" when our president has never listened to his constituents? Let them organize their own uprising like Mexico did (I just watched a really interesting video about that, Oaxaca deposed their government for months!). We'll help if they ask for it, maybe, but no one asked for our help, and we didn't go to help, and we certainly aren't helping now.

Never mind, I'm getting yelled at for not keeping up with the delegation of work. So bye. God this is a shitty week already.

[citeyoursources]

That's exactly what I watched. The guy is Brad Will, and they saved his camera and did a documentary about him, and all the protests he went to. The filmmaker who works with IndyMedia was there, and I told him I thought he did a great job showing the opposition of the enforcers and the protesters and how big these movements were, but it really didn't explain much about why they were protesting, which I think he should have if he's trying to get a message across. Also, yeah, it's really powerful to see that old women are protesting too, but maybe - MAYBE - you shouldn't reach behind an unmoving officer's shield and try to grab his gun. Just sayin'.

Anyway, he wanted the point to be that Yeah, we all pay attention because it's an American journalist, but that Brad was really just one guy among many common people being shot there every day. (Or were, I don't know what's still going on.)