I'm just curious - what company did this man you met work for? What was it he was passionate about, what did he spend sixteen hours a day creating?
Someday the company will cease to exist. Or he will be made to leave. Or he will retire. Or he will die. Where then does that leave him? Where does it leave the hours, and input and passion that was invested into his work and life? What harvest does he reap?
It leaves him with the satisfaction of knowing that he's made a difference. it leaves him with a legacy that other people can build on. It leaves him with a rich harvest of people who respect him and his accomplishments, and who will remember him well long after he's gone.
Why belittle these things?
If a man finds something he's passionate about - if he follows his bliss and throws himself into the joy of living up to his abilities and making a difference in the world - would you instead show him your sadness, ask him to give all this up, try to convince him that he should have different goals in life?
Well, first of all Im not asking anyone that they give up their job. Its a good thing for a man to work (and like I already wrote, its a good thing for a man to serve his boss well). All Im saying is that in the big picture all the stuff your talking about.. making a difference, legacy, respect, accomplishments are all great BUT kind of irrelevant if at the end of it all your burning in Hell. People in hell are too busy burning to reflect on lifes "accomplishments".
Aren't we taught in kindergarten that jealousy is a bad thing?
If someone says he loves you more than anything else, but then he's willing to put you through Hell because you dared have passion, excitement, and loyalty for other interests outside him, then could you really say that his love is healthy?
I'm still curious what company this person worked for, by the way, to have made such an impression on you. When/where did you meet him? (The photo of the person with the "brick" phone is great, btw. :)
First off, I appreciate your engagement with me on this issue. Sometimes people dont agree with each other and thats okay as long as people stay open minded and easy going which so far we both have been
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It doesn't sound like you were judging this person for his level of faith - in fact, you didn't say that religion came into your conversation with him at all. Instead, it sounds like you were judging him for having ambition!
He told you of his commitment, his hard work, and his sacrifice, and you felt "a great deal of sadness" for him?
Did you tell him exciting stories of your own relationship with God, stories to equal or surpass his own? What did he say when you asked him "what does all your hard work get you in the end"? What did he say when you told him about God?
To be honest I didnt engage him in that way- maybe I should have but I didnt. In all honesty in the context of the setting and the scenario it wouldnt really have been appropriate,
Also the sadness wasnt specifically necessarily exclusively for him personally..its more that what he was saying got me thinking on a broader level for him and all the people like him.
I mean, I take your point and youve given me food for thought. The story of that individual person really isnt that important, I was just using that incident to paint a bigger picture and the truth of what I am saying remains truth.
Anything man made will ultimately die and the thing that drives and excites a man the most should be Christ.
The story of that individual person really isnt that important - I disagree; it's all about individuals. This person may have had a story it would have been beneficial for you to hear.
Mr. "www.jesusismyfriend.com", what are the things that drive you and excite you the most about Christ? Not in generalities like "he saved my soul!" or "he died for me!" or anything like that - I mean, specifically, what specific about his involvement in your life gets you *excited*?
Someday the company will cease to exist. Or he will be made to leave. Or he will retire. Or he will die. Where then does that leave him? Where does it leave the hours, and input and passion that was invested into his work and life? What harvest does he reap?
It leaves him with the satisfaction of knowing that he's made a difference. it leaves him with a legacy that other people can build on. It leaves him with a rich harvest of people who respect him and his accomplishments, and who will remember him well long after he's gone.
Why belittle these things?
If a man finds something he's passionate about - if he follows his bliss and throws himself into the joy of living up to his abilities and making a difference in the world - would you instead show him your sadness, ask him to give all this up, try to convince him that he should have different goals in life?
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If someone says he loves you more than anything else, but then he's willing to put you through Hell because you dared have passion, excitement, and loyalty for other interests outside him, then could you really say that his love is healthy?
I'm still curious what company this person worked for, by the way, to have made such an impression on you. When/where did you meet him? (The photo of the person with the "brick" phone is great, btw. :)
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He told you of his commitment, his hard work, and his sacrifice, and you felt "a great deal of sadness" for him?
Did you tell him exciting stories of your own relationship with God, stories to equal or surpass his own? What did he say when you asked him "what does all your hard work get you in the end"? What did he say when you told him about God?
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Also the sadness wasnt specifically necessarily exclusively for him personally..its more that what he was saying got me thinking on a broader level for him and all the people like him.
I mean, I take your point and youve given me food for thought. The story of that individual person really isnt that important, I was just using that incident to paint a bigger picture and the truth of what I am saying remains truth.
Anything man made will ultimately die and the thing that drives and excites a man the most should be Christ.
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Mr. "www.jesusismyfriend.com", what are the things that drive you and excite you the most about Christ? Not in generalities like "he saved my soul!" or "he died for me!" or anything like that - I mean, specifically, what specific about his involvement in your life gets you *excited*?
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