Noah Question.

[eggsnail]

So, I was thinking about something the other day, and I'm curious to hear your feelings on it. Now, I'm almost certain that my definition of Creationism is correct, but if I'm mistaken, please let me know. To my knowledge, Creationism is the belief that the creatures of the earth were created in their original form by God. Which is why

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[i_muad_dib]

I am far more concerned that 2 of all of the Earth's animals (including all Phylogenetic strains) where within walking distance of Noah's boat...and that had to be one huge boat.
It never happened and it should not be taken beyond its moral tale value.
We are all genetically related but not to a point where there is any chance that we all (6 billion of us) came from the same small group of people.

[efriden]

Actually, we DID come from the same small group of people, about 300.000 years ago. Possibly we all come from the same woman (on grounds of our virtually identical mitochondrial DNA), and I don't mind calling her "Eve".

[pastorlenny]

OK, but she won't answer. Her name was "Chava." :)

[efriden]

Heh, I knew that.

[i_muad_dib]

You are talking about different things and you need to look it up better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

These most recent common ancestors are not even from the same time nor is the 300 000 years ago date correct.

The existence of Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam does not imply the existence of population bottlenecks or a first couple. They each lived within a large human population at a different time. Some of their contemporaries have no living descendants today, and others are ancestors of all people alive today. No contemporary of Mitochondrial Eve or Y-chromosomal Adam is an ancestor of only a subset of people alive today, because both of them lived much longer ago than the identical ancestors point.

These designate genetic communality, not parentage. Different things.

[efriden]

Lots of new fascinating info there, for which I am grateful, but actually it was more a case of me, a humanities scholar, expressing myself sloppily in the field of natural science. Nothing I read in wikipedia contradicts what I though I meant *smiles sheepishly*

[i_muad_dib]

It's all good =)

[mintogrubb]

but this small group was not just 8 individuals, 4 of whom were very closely related.

and yeah -300,000 yrs is about right. Not less than 6,000, as claimed by Genesis. you would think that if we can track all blue eyes people to one common ancestor, and can trace everyone back to a female ancestor 300,000 yrs ago, we could find evidence of Noah and his sons. But, we can't...