From last night's bullshit: Thoughts on Hermes and consumerism

[chironcentaur]

It truly is amazing what you can say that starts shit on the internet. Its also amazing the way two people can twist everything you say around until you sound like the biggest asshole on the planet.

It started when I made an innocent comment that, while I won't argue that Hermes is a god with connections with technology and the internet, I don't

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[chironcentaur]

I'm rapidly gaining an appreciation for the crap Loki's people go through. I'm glad I'm not the only person in Hermes's camp (those who I genuinely believe are patronized by him and whose opinions I respect) that also want to half vomit with rage over what large portions of the community thinks that he is. At least its not just me. It does seem that the image of him people who are patronized by him see is very different from the image others who deal with him see, but there comes a point where it is just illogical, and you're clearly focusing too much on one tiny aspect of him (and ignoring all else) and projecting modern cultural crap onto his personality and opinions

[chironcentaur]

Oh yes, I know what you mean. Also that just because you can't immediately see the reason doesn't mean that there isn't one.

Hermes rarely seems to do anything without a reason, even it it takes years to know what that reason is. This time I've spent with him has taught me nothing in his world is just a coincidence.

The Homeric Hymn to Hermes, which some people do think is the ultimate source of the Hermes as a twit notion (and I can't think of a better explanation) seems to bear that out for me, I see that paint a picture of someone who is very calculating. Everything he does there ultimately serves a purpose, works toward his goal, and in the end he walks away having gotten exactly what he wanted. I don't know what sort of filters you need to be looking through in order to read that as chases after anything shiny and new and causes mischief for the pure hell of it.

*eye roll*

[chironcentaur]

I guess every, even mostly sane forums have to have some people that just aren't worth dealing with. Honestly, it seems like we accidentally stumbled into a shit ton of their emotional baggage and it really didn't matter what either one of us said we were still going to be the villains and we were still going to be wrong.

Fuck them and the high horses they rode in on. ;-)

[fallenkalina]

tl;dr ---kidding, although I think a short form is Hermes loves the internet and the ideas that run it, the iphones, not so much.

I don't get it either. I just got back from a camping trip. I didn't even think about what was going on online and I am pretty tied to the internet.

I grew up in a similar area, I never really want to return to the suburbs because of the attitude I got as a teen and just a few years ago.

[chironcentaur]

LOL, yeah I know, too long. Well, I am quite wordy on paper, plus the short form only got me screamed at by half wits and called a snob. Long form seemed prudent to avoid further stupidity. I might have shared some version of this (minus bitter nastiness) there, but you know clarification was never requested, nobody asked me to explain what I meant or ask how X,Y,Z facts might effect my opinion, no they decided all on their own what I must be saying, climbed up on their high horse and started beating me over the head without ever asking questions. And I'm not going to waste my breath getting into a conversation with people that already have their minds made up, and I'm not going to bother defending myself every post against words some dick head put in my mouth

[fallenkalina]

I will admit: I use facebook (literally, the way I keep in touch with dozens of people I am friendly towards) and I use twitter (shouting into the ether is fun sometimes). But these things are shallow, they really are, and there is a reason they aren't a priority when I am online.

And when I am online almost all day due to work, checking once or twice a day is nothing at all.

I'm one of those that keeps having to figure out how to be both a packrat and want to simplify down to the bone, and spend less. It's why I have a phone that calls people and can get texts. It's why my major expense is books, not clothes, or why I go through my closet every few months. And that I make dance classes more of a priority than barhopping like many of my coworkers.

I view this as a success.

(my husband, who grew up poorer than myself, wants to graduate and work in the suburbs. Which scares the shit out of me.)

[chironcentaur]

I used to be online a lot more, or at least hovering around the computer, when Renee was working. I'd chat with her since she had twelve hours of free time and was often bored (that and it was often the most I got to talk to her over the week). But there was a reason for that. If you have to be online anyway, like during work, that's very different

[lorele]

I can't bear to read too much right now -- had a little to drink. Blame Dio.

But, I think Hermes governs all sorts of expediency that includes cars (faster than walking) and internet (as fast as typing, but not as fast as thinking and telepathy would be).

The speed at which things happen.

[chironcentaur]

Well, I'll hear what you have to say when you're sober enough to read. :-)

But, just on the comment here, I don't think speed is always everything. But as I was discussing in the comments above, Hermes is a complex deity and there are any number of ways that his various sides might play off each other and create very different ways of viewing something depending on the circumstances, depending on his mood. He is about speed, but he is also the eternal traveler for whom the journey itself is as important, or sometimes more so, than getting from point A to point B as quickly as possible.

Its rarely the thing itself that is the problem, but the application of the thing, the overuse of the thing. There is a place for speed, a place for technology, a place for whatever else you want to name.

[lorele]

So, that is to say, Hermes itself could be experienced or understood through the fragmented schizophrenic consciousness of One God seeking to play the role of All or Many for itself on the 'grand stage' of life, and his gender-role as a son to the Maiden-Mother Isis?

It isn't about the speed at which you return to the cosmic 'womb' - of absolute quiet silent yin space -- the speed at which a yang action character yields to entropy (yin).

It's the journey you take to get there -- and the effectiveness, clarity, and accuracy of the message. "News" -- "facts that matter".

[chironcentaur]

I'm online less now that Renee is not working anymore. I used to be on almost all day chatting with her since she had twelve hours free internet time at work and not much else to do, and plus that was often the most time I got to spend with her during the week. Not having that anymore, plus reducing online presence and elists/forums, its not what it once was but it is still more than it probably should be.

and I gather He has some strong opinions on the proper usage of commerce and communication

Oh yeah. And he certainly has some strong opinions on how I should make proper use of both, and in both cases it involves reduction. He's been screaming in my head all day to keep me from checking the forum again, keep me from getting back on and bitching people out when I do anyway. You're right, it massively sucks when you see people doing shit like this to a god you love, hard to keep from saying something. He has to keep reminding me that he doesn't want me to twist myself up into knots of rage defending him, that this isn't worth it.