I totally agree. :) As much as I love protective big brother Dean - and I love protective little brother Sam as well, because that's how they work in my world, protective of each other - the point of this season is that they both grow into a mature, equal relationship, because that is what will make them stronger. I think some people are just stuck on the versions of the characters in their head and don't move forward with the characters as presented on screen. Dean says in 'The End' that Sam is the 2nd best hunter on the planet, and that's in keeping with trusting his brother to have his back on the hunt and treating him like an equal partner on the job. It's obvious that Dean thinks his brother is capable on his own, and I prefer a Dean who takes pride in Sam's capability any day over a Dean who thinks his adult brother needs constant coddling.
I think some people are just stuck on the versions of the characters in their head and don't move forward with the characters as presented on screen.
Yes, and I'm not sure these versions even really existed as such, back then. It's like the "I want the brothers to get along like they did in season one." But they already have issues in season one! They fought, they separated, they didn't see agree on everything. As for the protectiveness, Dean was certainly more protective in season one, but as the time Sam was also a lot less experemented when it came to the hunt, and even then Dean wasn't unwilling to trust Sam with his back.
I love the brothers being protective of each other, I won't lie, but I want them to be protective because they love each other and care about each other, and not because they think the other isn't capable to hold his own.
the point of this season is that they both grow into a mature, equal relationship, because that is what will make them stronger.Yes, exactly. That's what I'm in for - I don't want any silly
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Yeah, I think at one point or another we all fell for the unhealthy co-dependency of the boys (S2/3), but the characters itself have grown from there and that's good. I think some fans have limited their views of the characters to a point where they miss a lot of the more complex dynamics between them. I've seen many fan reactions that irritate me, like 'Look, Sam and Dean have a fight, they must not care for each other anymore' or 'See, Dean says he pictures himself happy with Lisa, that must mean that he doesn't picture his future with Sam in it anymore' or 'Mean, mean Sam, he left for Stanford, obviously that means he never, ever loved Dean'. /sigh
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Yeah, I think at one point or another we all fell for the unhealthy co-dependency of the boys (S2/3)
Oh, yes, there's undeniably something attractive in this idea, and we're all guilty of it, me included. But I'm ready for them to move on. It bugs me that each time we saw hints of character growth, like when they separated in 5.02, there were people to exclaim "oh no, now they won't be unhealthily codependent anymore!" (fortunately, I also saw some people speak up to say: "codependence is a sickness, it harms people, it is not good!") It's like they thought it meant that Sam and Dean wouldn't love each other anymore, or that they would start having a "normal" sibling relationship where they would see each other twice a year and have lives completely separated (which I don't think is even possible; too many things happened). And yes, I'm not counting the number of times I've seen people point to one event or another as "proof" that Sam or Dean didn't love the other anymore. But their relation is very complicated, which makes painful
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it's a testimony of their love that they have killed each other yet! LMAO I hear ya! If I had to spend as much time with anybody - family, partner, friend - I would go nuts! I find it completely normal that they have a lot of arguments and bicker/banter all the time to let off some of the tension that necessarily arises out of having no privacy at all.
Season one seems to be for a lot of people some sort of "golden age," when everything was perfect and the brothers were their "true selves." Which is funny, because in S1 both brothers didn't even know each other all that well and needed to learn how to be brothers as adults and move on from their child/semi-parent dynamics. Sam carried around a lot of anger and resentment and Dean was still firmly under Daddy's thumb. To me the 'golden age' has always been S2, where the brothers were the closest.
I have a fondness for season 2 too. :) But, well, stuff happened since that time. They can be better than season 2! I'm really curious to see what awaits us in season six.
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Yes, and I'm not sure these versions even really existed as such, back then. It's like the "I want the brothers to get along like they did in season one." But they already have issues in season one! They fought, they separated, they didn't see agree on everything. As for the protectiveness, Dean was certainly more protective in season one, but as the time Sam was also a lot less experemented when it came to the hunt, and even then Dean wasn't unwilling to trust Sam with his back.
I love the brothers being protective of each other, I won't lie, but I want them to be protective because they love each other and care about each other, and not because they think the other isn't capable to hold his own.
the point of this season is that they both grow into a mature, equal relationship, because that is what will make them stronger.Yes, exactly. That's what I'm in for - I don't want any silly ( ... )
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Oh, yes, there's undeniably something attractive in this idea, and we're all guilty of it, me included. But I'm ready for them to move on. It bugs me that each time we saw hints of character growth, like when they separated in 5.02, there were people to exclaim "oh no, now they won't be unhealthily codependent anymore!" (fortunately, I also saw some people speak up to say: "codependence is a sickness, it harms people, it is not good!") It's like they thought it meant that Sam and Dean wouldn't love each other anymore, or that they would start having a "normal" sibling relationship where they would see each other twice a year and have lives completely separated (which I don't think is even possible; too many things happened). And yes, I'm not counting the number of times I've seen people point to one event or another as "proof" that Sam or Dean didn't love the other anymore. But their relation is very complicated, which makes painful ( ... )
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LMAO I hear ya! If I had to spend as much time with anybody - family, partner, friend - I would go nuts! I find it completely normal that they have a lot of arguments and bicker/banter all the time to let off some of the tension that necessarily arises out of having no privacy at all.
Season one seems to be for a lot of people some sort of "golden age," when everything was perfect and the brothers were their "true selves."
Which is funny, because in S1 both brothers didn't even know each other all that well and needed to learn how to be brothers as adults and move on from their child/semi-parent dynamics. Sam carried around a lot of anger and resentment and Dean was still firmly under Daddy's thumb. To me the 'golden age' has always been S2, where the brothers were the closest.
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