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Aug 25, 2010 19:21

Discussion on ExIsle about an imagined Andromeda!reboot. Some of the ideas left me "...", some left me "o.0", and some are "YAY". (Enver Gjokaj as Harper? YES PLS.) (I still LU, GMW, promise.) (Although the later idea of gender-flipping Harper and Rommie and letting Enver play all of Andromeda's incarnations is fabulous. Also, Gina Torres as a ( Read more... )

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geeky_ginger August 26 2010, 01:36:09 UTC
Oh man....I could very easily fall in love with Enver Gjokaj as the new Harper or even as the new Andromeda....BUT when it comes to gender flipping, I'd be more into maybe making Dylan a chick and gender flipping Tyr and Beka over Rommie and Harper....I love my techies to be guys....And I'd KILL to see Gina Torres as a female Tyr.

ALTHOUGH, I have always found gender flipping an interesting concept...since I always shipped Harper/Trance, I'd be interested in seeing a genderflip there or hell, same sex it, just to spice it up. *shifty eyes*

And agreeing with what was said at exisle, give the show a REAL budget this time and don't get all holier than thou and have the "Kevin Sorbo" take over...that ruined the show.

Gah....This gives me such ideas!

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chicafrom3 August 26 2010, 01:43:26 UTC
The more I think about it, the more the idea of genderflipping the entire crew appeals to me. Seriously, so much potential there. How it would change Beka and Dylan's competing for command, Tyr's striving to prove genetically perfect to gain a mate, Harper's experience on Earth, Rommie's military career and exploration of humanity...SO MANY IDEAS. OMG.

Also, HELLS YES to the budget and the no-actors-as-execs caveat, those should be REQUIRED.

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geeky_ginger August 26 2010, 01:48:39 UTC
In a none flipping aspect....I think that Fran Kranz would be an AWESOME Harper.

The more I think about it, the more the idea of genderflipping the entire crew appeals to me. Seriously, so much potential there. How it would change Beka and Dylan's competing for command, Tyr's striving to prove genetically perfect to gain a mate, Harper's experience on Earth, Rommie's military career and exploration of humanity...SO MANY IDEAS. OMG.

^^Oh man....thinking what would happen to a female Harper on earth really makes me cringe. But I'd love the idea of a female Harper....no clue who would play her.....being with a male Trance...told you, I'm a shipper. And could you imagine a female Harper making the avatar for male Andromeda...although the name would have to change...Andromeda's a chick...maybe Apollo or something else greeky. I seriously would KILL to see Gina Torres as the female Tyr...that just screams of awesome, especially with all the sexual tension between her and Male!Beka...whose name would also have to change. SO MANY NAME ( ... )

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chicafrom3 August 26 2010, 02:30:26 UTC
Fran would be a fantastic Harper.

Figuring out appropriate names may be the hardest part of this! ...Particularly for Andromeda. Because it has to be both a good name-for-a-person (and preferably one nickname-able so the humanoid avatar can be called something different from the main AI) and also a good name-for-a-warship.

...although Trance and Rev's names could stay the same, so that's something! (If we got far enough, so could Doyle's, for that matter.)

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geeky_ginger August 26 2010, 04:00:39 UTC
Oh yeah....I mean if you stayed with the greek/roman sounding names, it makes it rather hard to find a name that could be cut into a nickname...the only name I can think of is something like Perseus which can be shortened to Percy....but "The Starship Perseus" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

But I agree that Trance, Doyle and Rev's names can stay....Harper can still be Harper...you'd just have to give him a feminine irish first name....Dylan can be Dylan still....Tyr...well, hell, you could just add an "a" and make it sound feminine....Beka's the tough cookie...maybe Beckett? And that's only if you're trying to keep the names similar to the original source material.

I like this genderbender idea...even if the only people I can cast in my head are Harper and Tyr. Lol

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chicafrom3 August 26 2010, 15:38:07 UTC
I've become set on RHW's suggestion of Freya for female!Tyr, since that was the name of the original concept character that then got split into Tyr and Beka. And then Freya Anasazi could have a short-lived marriage to Tyr of the Orca Pride ( ... )

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geeky_ginger August 26 2010, 16:14:18 UTC
Ooooo, so much to discuss here!

I've become set on RHW's suggestion of Freya for female!Tyr, since that was the name of the original concept character that then got split into Tyr and Beka. And then Freya Anasazi could have a short-lived marriage to Tyr of the Orca Pride!

^^Ooooo, see I didn't know that...Okay...I like Freya...especially if it's Gina Torres! Lol!

As for Harper...Siobhan, maybe, but then you'd have to rename her cousin. Sinead? I'm attached to the idea of it being non-Anglicized, which also carries the implication "I go by my last name because SPACERS CAN'T PRONOUNCE MY FIRST NAME", which has always been one of my justifications for Harper anyway.

^^I always thought that too...that he went by Harper because no one could pronounce "Seamus"....and I for the life of me couldn't figure out how to pronounce Siobhan! So I'd call them Harper too. Lol!

male!Beka I've been calling Ben in my head, IDK why though.^^Ben works for me...Benjamin Valentine....Ben...I like it...especially with the idea of Female!Harper calling ( ... )

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geeky_ginger August 26 2010, 16:20:55 UTC
Crap...hit send too early....where was I?

One thing that's occurred to me is that a male spaceship captain rescuing a female refugee and giving her a job does have vastly different implications and power dynamics from the original setup -- the "dump you back on that trashheap" scene would be even darker this way, for example. And would they even be able to get away with the cuddling and getting in each other's personal space and so on? I want male!Beka and female!Harper to be BFFs, but I feel like their dynamic would be heavily different. (And I feel like more random people would assume they were sleeping together. And male!Beka would be appalled that anyone would believe he would take advantage like that, while female!Harper quite cheerfully plays up the misconception.)^^You know...I kinda thing they could still be super close and could still "cuddle." I see them kinda like Mal and Kaylee on Firefly.....Mal loved Kaylee like his sister and they got all up in each other's personal space while both would go down trying to protect the ( ... )

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chicafrom3 August 26 2010, 16:33:53 UTC
Oh, I totally agree that female!Harper built male!Rommie to the same specs of perfection that original Harper did. male!Rommie is a miracle of engineering genius, dammit, and she's proud of that.

It's just the question of whether or not male!Rommie would call her out on it. "Did you wear gloves", indeed. Which comes down entirely to the characterization of male!Rommie, which I have not settled on at all.

possibly a little more hardened because from what I saw, Niets loved their children more than themselves so Freya would probably hate having to leave her son behind, but she must do it to protect him and his precious DNA.So completely agreed. And no one would understand why she's come back harder, until the truth about Tam comes out and then there'd be...well, a lot of shock, honestly ( ... )

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geeky_ginger August 26 2010, 16:49:37 UTC
It's just the question of whether or not male!Rommie would call her out on it. "Did you wear gloves", indeed. Which comes down entirely to the characterization of male!Rommie, which I have not settled on at all.I feel like that Male Rommie would go through the same emotions and whatnot that his female counterpart went through....trying to understand humanity, the emotions that Harper allowed her to experience....so I think that with Female!Harper's obsession with the ship in general, Male!Rommie would probably ask the same question....I mean Female!Rommie asked it before she really came to love and respect Harper (I think, I can't remember) but once she reached that level of comfort with Harper, she didn't make those kinds of jokes anymore....hell, I mean after the Maggog world ship, you could see a desperate side to Rommie because Harper was suicidal and she didn't know what to do. I would love to see that in a gender reversal....Male!Rommie trying to be tender and express his desire for Female!Harper to live.....I mean by that point ( ... )

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chicafrom3 August 26 2010, 17:08:20 UTC
...wow, Steven R. McQueen is cute. I approve. I have no idea how well his acting style is suited for Trance so I will take your word for it.

Similarly, I haven't seen Allison Scagliotti in anything, but she looks like she's got about the right look for female!Harper. Put her in a lot of brightly-patterned t-shirts and cargo pants and it's dead-on.

I am, however, really attached to Enver!Andromeda, largely because I can picture him really, really selling a three-way conversation between himself. Can't you just picture that, how clearly he would delineate between mainframe!AI, hologram!AI, and android!AI? ...well, I can. *fangirls Enver some more*

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geeky_ginger August 26 2010, 17:21:36 UTC
His character on Vampire Diaries is very timid, soft spoken but had a mean streak. I feel like he'd work well as a male!Trance.....here...can't find scenes of his acting...but here's an interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMfBzK8VcxY and lookie! He can sing. Lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFmveopPs5U... )

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chicafrom3 August 26 2010, 18:26:59 UTC
Now that I think about it, Josh Holloway might be able to pull off a male!Beka, too. Although I'm not sure how the accent would work in that context. *ponders*

That shot of Allison in Harper!goggles is so fabulous I can't even. :D :D :D

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geeky_ginger August 26 2010, 18:31:41 UTC
Oooooooooo! SAWYER!!! Yuuuuuus! I mean he can have the accent...would give him that "space cowboy" appeal....and he'd be the right age too! The Beka character needs to be older than the Harper one so to be more authoritative and what not.

Well, then, I guess Allison is your Harper. Lol!

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chicafrom3 August 26 2010, 16:12:51 UTC
Also, I went hunting names from Greek mythology in search of a good name for male!Andromeda and found Adrastos, which reportedly means "not inclined to run away". It's not an easy name to nickname...or turn into an impressive-sounding ship name...or just to yell in an emergency...but the meaning is ridiculously perfect and I love it. :D

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geeky_ginger August 26 2010, 16:22:06 UTC
Haha...it's a mouth full too! Yeah...not the easiest name to nickname for the AI....not at all. Lol!

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