I love chatting with serious TF fans.
Interesting tidbits (names changed, slightly, grammar and punctuation corrected, slightly):
1. Tess: I'd see them more having offspring like sponges--budding sparks after a merge and then putting them in pre-made chassis.
2. MYB: Femmes are more of a programming difference - not so much a gender.
Tess: I agree--gender is how humans perceive their personalities rather than physical difference--until Beast Wars.
3. MYB: The difference between mech and femme is more like the spectrum between ultraviolet and infrared.
4. Tess: I think Mikaela deserved Bumble Bee--
Tess: She CHOSE to go back into battle, Lennox had to brow beat Sam to run away with the cube.
Tess: But he's STILL considered the hero.
Tess: *sigh*
CheshireCatGrin: True, but she called Bee a piece of crap Camaro. I liked his old beat-up Camaro form.
Tess: She worked cars.
Tess: It's something any of us that do that would wonder.
Tess: I mean, if you had the power would you dress down like a broke, old 70-year-old?
CheshireCatGrin: I happen to think the old Camaro looked pretty badass, even if the new one was pretty too...
Tess: Well, you're right--the older version WAS hot--he could have just cleaned THAT up as opposed to going 'new'.
Tess: Older cars have a lot of class.
CheshireCatGrin: They do.
Tess: And you were less likely to die if they crashed--they had actual steel bodies.
CheshireCatGrin: But then again, if I had the power I'd be a fighter jet for Primus' sake.
5. Tess: But Soundwave--HE always intrigued me.
Tess: He had cassettes that LOVED him of their own free will--how did a con manage THAT? I always wondered.
Tess: They were like brat kids.
Tess: Not manipulated at ALL.
CheshireCatGrin: He's a great mommy apparently. Well...not GREAT...he's a Decepticon after all, but still...you get my meaning...
Tess: Yeah.
Tess: He always took care of them, I noticed that.
6. Tess: So it was Soundwave and Cyclonus I like out of the 'Cons.
Tess: ho did you like?
CheshireCatGrin: Well...Starscream for one. Soundwave's pretty high up there too.
Tess: I'm curious as to what makes a person like Starscream.
CheshireCatGrin: I find him psychologically fascinating. And, before the '07 movie came out he was the only one whose name I could remember besides Megatron and Optimus Prime.
Tess: That's actually refreshing compared to the other reasons I've heard.
CheshireCatGrin: I also tend to have a thing for villains, I've noticed. My first ever favorite cartoon character was, as my parents tell me, Cruella DeVille.
Tess: I like villainesses too.
7. Tess: Anyway, I like villainesses because at least they do it for themselves--they don't wait for 'The Prince'.
Tess: There's a certain strength in them the heroine lacks.
CheshireCatGrin: Indeed.
Tess: They don't have to be the 'good girl', which is pretty damn restrictive.
Tess: Which is why I like Baba Yaga so much.
Tess: Villainesses seem to have the power of choice.
CheshireCatGrin: Baba Yaga the mythological figure?
Tess: Yep.
CheshireCatGrin: Cool.
CheshireCatGrin: The motivations and thought processes villains go through always interests me. Trying to figure why they act the way they act is something I enjoy attempting.
Tess: Well, the older one gets, the easier it is to understand.
Tess: Not to say it's RIGHT, but it makes more sense.
Tess: Although, in a matriarchal world, these 'fairy tales' would be different.
CheshireCatGrin: Indeed they would.
MYB: Interesting convo.
MYB: Kudos for the psychological answer, Ches.
Tess: Super-heroines, villanesses, and most characters are females seen through a MALE'S eyes, of what they think a woman should be, or what they believe she IS.
MYB: Had to catch-up.
Tess: No prob.
Tess: Notice how all super heroines are gorgeous?
MYB: As far as Mikaela.
MYB: Yeah.
Tess: ALL of them, from Mikaela to Wonder Woman--they were all created by MEN.
MYB: The only decent thing she did in TF was to say "I'mm not going anywhere 'til I get Bumblebee out of here!"
Tess: TFs and female heroes in a woman's eyes would be far DIFFERENT.
CheshireCatGrin: We were discussing the Mother Goddess, how females were viewed in mythology, and how that changed, earlier in the semester in my Studies In Mythology class.
MYB: But, man, I wanted to pop her when she called 'Bee a 'piece of crap Camaro' --- how shallow can you get?
Tess: Of course--Michael Bay's TFs was a geek's wet dream.
MYB: A MALE geek's wet dream.
Tess: True.
MYB: Notice how most of the fans here are chicks?
Tess: Being Wiccan, they teach you a lot about the Mother Goddess, Ches.
Tess: I know a LOT of female fans, yet Hasbro denies we exist.
Tess: Do you remember that survey they did online?
Tess: As soon as you typed that you were a female, it shut down.
MYB: Even Matt Moylan's poll showed that most of us were Femme.
CheshireCatGrin: Hasbro is seriously weird.
MYB: Yeah.
Tess: I lead the shit storm for THAT one.
Tess: They kindly wrote me that they 'fixed' it.
CheshireCatGrin: Maybe it just couldn't compute the fact that there were female fans and its processor broke.
CheshireCatGrin: Like with female video gamers.
CheshireCatGrin: A lot of male gamers still think female gamers are a myth.
Tess: My brother told me that men don't like women invading 'male turf'--which TFs are supposed to be.
CheshireCatGrin: P'shaw.
Tess: There were a lot of female gamers and TF fans in the military.
I love having such fascinating conversations. I really do. They refresh me.
1. Tess: I'd see them more having offspring like sponges--budding sparks after a merge and then putting them in pre-made chassis.
2. MYB: Femmes are more of a programming difference - not so much a gender.
Tess: I agree--gender is how humans perceive their personalities rather than physical difference--until Beast Wars.
3. MYB: The difference between mech and femme is more like the spectrum between ultraviolet and infrared.
4. Tess: I think Mikaela deserved Bumble Bee--
Tess: She CHOSE to go back into battle, Lennox had to brow beat Sam to run away with the cube.
Tess: But he's STILL considered the hero.
Tess: *sigh*
CheshireCatGrin: True, but she called Bee a piece of crap Camaro. I liked his old beat-up Camaro form.
Tess: She worked cars.
Tess: It's something any of us that do that would wonder.
Tess: I mean, if you had the power would you dress down like a broke, old 70-year-old?
CheshireCatGrin: I happen to think the old Camaro looked pretty badass, even if the new one was pretty too...
Tess: Well, you're right--the older version WAS hot--he could have just cleaned THAT up as opposed to going 'new'.
Tess: Older cars have a lot of class.
CheshireCatGrin: They do.
Tess: And you were less likely to die if they crashed--they had actual steel bodies.
CheshireCatGrin: But then again, if I had the power I'd be a fighter jet for Primus' sake.
5. Tess: But Soundwave--HE always intrigued me.
Tess: He had cassettes that LOVED him of their own free will--how did a con manage THAT? I always wondered.
Tess: They were like brat kids.
Tess: Not manipulated at ALL.
CheshireCatGrin: He's a great mommy apparently. Well...not GREAT...he's a Decepticon after all, but still...you get my meaning...
Tess: Yeah.
Tess: He always took care of them, I noticed that.
6. Tess: So it was Soundwave and Cyclonus I like out of the 'Cons.
Tess: ho did you like?
CheshireCatGrin: Well...Starscream for one. Soundwave's pretty high up there too.
Tess: I'm curious as to what makes a person like Starscream.
CheshireCatGrin: I find him psychologically fascinating. And, before the '07 movie came out he was the only one whose name I could remember besides Megatron and Optimus Prime.
Tess: That's actually refreshing compared to the other reasons I've heard.
CheshireCatGrin: I also tend to have a thing for villains, I've noticed. My first ever favorite cartoon character was, as my parents tell me, Cruella DeVille.
Tess: I like villainesses too.
7. Tess: Anyway, I like villainesses because at least they do it for themselves--they don't wait for 'The Prince'.
Tess: There's a certain strength in them the heroine lacks.
CheshireCatGrin: Indeed.
Tess: They don't have to be the 'good girl', which is pretty damn restrictive.
Tess: Which is why I like Baba Yaga so much.
Tess: Villainesses seem to have the power of choice.
CheshireCatGrin: Baba Yaga the mythological figure?
Tess: Yep.
CheshireCatGrin: Cool.
CheshireCatGrin: The motivations and thought processes villains go through always interests me. Trying to figure why they act the way they act is something I enjoy attempting.
Tess: Well, the older one gets, the easier it is to understand.
Tess: Not to say it's RIGHT, but it makes more sense.
Tess: Although, in a matriarchal world, these 'fairy tales' would be different.
CheshireCatGrin: Indeed they would.
MYB: Interesting convo.
MYB: Kudos for the psychological answer, Ches.
Tess: Super-heroines, villanesses, and most characters are females seen through a MALE'S eyes, of what they think a woman should be, or what they believe she IS.
MYB: Had to catch-up.
Tess: No prob.
Tess: Notice how all super heroines are gorgeous?
MYB: As far as Mikaela.
MYB: Yeah.
Tess: ALL of them, from Mikaela to Wonder Woman--they were all created by MEN.
MYB: The only decent thing she did in TF was to say "I'mm not going anywhere 'til I get Bumblebee out of here!"
Tess: TFs and female heroes in a woman's eyes would be far DIFFERENT.
CheshireCatGrin: We were discussing the Mother Goddess, how females were viewed in mythology, and how that changed, earlier in the semester in my Studies In Mythology class.
MYB: But, man, I wanted to pop her when she called 'Bee a 'piece of crap Camaro' --- how shallow can you get?
Tess: Of course--Michael Bay's TFs was a geek's wet dream.
MYB: A MALE geek's wet dream.
Tess: True.
MYB: Notice how most of the fans here are chicks?
Tess: Being Wiccan, they teach you a lot about the Mother Goddess, Ches.
Tess: I know a LOT of female fans, yet Hasbro denies we exist.
Tess: Do you remember that survey they did online?
Tess: As soon as you typed that you were a female, it shut down.
MYB: Even Matt Moylan's poll showed that most of us were Femme.
CheshireCatGrin: Hasbro is seriously weird.
MYB: Yeah.
Tess: I lead the shit storm for THAT one.
Tess: They kindly wrote me that they 'fixed' it.
CheshireCatGrin: Maybe it just couldn't compute the fact that there were female fans and its processor broke.
CheshireCatGrin: Like with female video gamers.
CheshireCatGrin: A lot of male gamers still think female gamers are a myth.
Tess: My brother told me that men don't like women invading 'male turf'--which TFs are supposed to be.
CheshireCatGrin: P'shaw.
Tess: There were a lot of female gamers and TF fans in the military.
I love having such fascinating conversations. I really do. They refresh me.