I can see now that I went off subject in my post. I didn't realize it wasn't really welcome, not that you're saying it's not, but all the same.
I think Ruby IS the same. If this post is about only the guys being sexualized, well, that's just not the truth. In I Know What You Did Last Summer, Sam asks her 'whose body are you riding?' which the OP refers to as sexualized language. I agree that men are the ones who really get the most of it, but Ruby, and Meg as someone points out in Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester, are as well. So, idk. If you want to debate the Meg one, I can get that. But Ruby's was. In a host that DID exist. She had to ditch the body so Sam would be cool with her.
Possession of males is the only possession that the show tells us matters, it is the only time we are expected to care about the victim. The majority of the time, yes. But the secretary Ruby possesses in 4.09 is the opposite. Sam forces her out because the body isn't empty. And Meg's host, too, when she comes back in 4.02. We are supposed to sympathetize with her. The victim. How Sam didn't save her and how she was pissed about it.
But we never meet the secretary. We're not supposed to think about her, it's just meant to show a character trait of Sam's. I guess it does show the parallel a bit, but not to the same extent that it's pounded into us (lol pounded) re the guys.
I don't entirely know that we were supposed to sympathise with Meg, either (interesting that you call her "Meg's host" since technically the name belongs to the human, rather than the demon who possessed her; I get that we're used to referring to the demon as Meg but I wonder if that says something to about the identity or lack thereof of female vessels) as she was (as a spirit) canonically presented as twisted from her living self and at the very least a threat to the boys. But I have issues with that whole episode so I might not be the best person to debate it.
interesting that you call her "Meg's host" since technically the name belongs to the human I always forget that. Mrf.
I get what you're saying about the secretary. I feel like that scene was only there to show that Sam doesn't want anything to do with Ruby when she's riding a host. But the possession is still sexualized. I'm not really sure it matters how we're supposed to see the host, but it still is, which was the point of this meta, I can see now.
I hope I'm not coming off as a bitch or anything =/ I'm just enjoying the discussion.
Oh, good! Supernatural is so great 'cause it has all these interesting as fuck concepts buried way deep in it, like the sexualization of possession with males primarily, and it's so easy to get sucked in and just go on about shit that's not even on topic.
I feel you gurl. I have so much shit to work on. What am I doing instead? Screwing around on livejournal. Fml.
I think Ruby IS the same. If this post is about only the guys being sexualized, well, that's just not the truth. In I Know What You Did Last Summer, Sam asks her 'whose body are you riding?' which the OP refers to as sexualized language. I agree that men are the ones who really get the most of it, but Ruby, and Meg as someone points out in Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester, are as well. So, idk. If you want to debate the Meg one, I can get that. But Ruby's was. In a host that DID exist. She had to ditch the body so Sam would be cool with her.
Possession of males is the only possession that the show tells us matters, it is the only time we are expected to care about the victim.
The majority of the time, yes. But the secretary Ruby possesses in 4.09 is the opposite. Sam forces her out because the body isn't empty. And Meg's host, too, when she comes back in 4.02. We are supposed to sympathetize with her. The victim. How Sam didn't save her and how she was pissed about it.
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I don't entirely know that we were supposed to sympathise with Meg, either (interesting that you call her "Meg's host" since technically the name belongs to the human, rather than the demon who possessed her; I get that we're used to referring to the demon as Meg but I wonder if that says something to about the identity or lack thereof of female vessels) as she was (as a spirit) canonically presented as twisted from her living self and at the very least a threat to the boys. But I have issues with that whole episode so I might not be the best person to debate it.
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I always forget that. Mrf.
I get what you're saying about the secretary. I feel like that scene was only there to show that Sam doesn't want anything to do with Ruby when she's riding a host. But the possession is still sexualized. I'm not really sure it matters how we're supposed to see the host, but it still is, which was the point of this meta, I can see now.
I hope I'm not coming off as a bitch or anything =/ I'm just enjoying the discussion.
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I feel you gurl. I have so much shit to work on. What am I doing instead? Screwing around on livejournal. Fml.
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