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chaoticidealism

Let's clear this up...

May 31, 2009 19:40

When I say I am "Autistic":

I use "autistic" as a general term for the entire autism spectrum. I think Asperger's and other types of autism are too similar, with too much overlap between them and no clear dividing line, with too many cases on the borderline between them, to be truly separate entities. Certainly you can pick examples of other types ( Read more... )

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stephanielynnkeil.blogspot.com anonymous June 1 2009, 01:08:46 UTC

I'm going to just start saying "ASD." I mostly do this already and I think this helps this problem more. "I have an ASD." Or how about, "I'm an ASD." There. We have a new term...

I do have a problem with people who are diagnosed with Asperger's saying, "Well, I COULD be diagnosed with Autistic Disorder according to the criteria, but I'm not. I COULD be though."

According to the DSM, Autistic Disorder "trumps" Asperger's. If you meet the criteria for Autistic Disorder than you can't be diagnosed with Asperger's; it says it in the DSM.

So, if a doctor actually follows the DSM and you are diagnosed with Asperger's that means you don't meet the criteria for Autistic Disorder.

But, to solve this, let's just use ASD.

So, people with Asperger's have a "mild ASD" and people like my couisn, who is profoundly LFA, have a "profound ASD."

Re: stephanielynnkeil.blogspot.com ext_174713 June 1 2009, 02:15:21 UTC

Interestingly, I hear they're doing quite a bit of reorganizing the whole autism/PDD section in the DSM-V. I'm curious how it's going to work when they're finished. I hope it works better than their current system. Systems always could stand improving (if it can be found), especially something like this.

Re: stephanielynnkeil.blogspot.com chaoticidealism June 1 2009, 02:40:27 UTC

"According to the DSM, Autistic Disorder "trumps" Asperger's. If you meet the criteria for Autistic Disorder than you can't be diagnosed with Asperger's; it says it in the DSM ( ... )

Re: stephanielynnkeil.blogspot.com anonymous June 1 2009, 18:55:42 UTC

So, I guess this is the doctor's fault then. I don't have this problem, I have an IQ over 80 and use spoken language (definitely not very well) but I have a diagnosis of Autism, not Asperger's; I also had a much more severe form as a child.

I really think doctors need to go by the book; it's THERE for a reason.

I guess they must not follow this, then:

"Asperger's Disorder is not diagnosed if criteria are met for another Pervasive Developmental Disorder or for Schizophrenia."

I definitely think that a person with severe autism as a youth can grow up to be much more successful than someone with Asperger's, which is why I, personally, think they are different types of ASDs. I've noticed many differences between myself (and other people diagnosed with autism) and people diagnosed with Asperger's. There seem to be different cognitive "things" going on in the brains of people with AS vs. HFA. I know most people think the only difference is a speech delay but, from my experience, I REALLY disagree with that.

Re: stephanielynnkeil.blogspot.com chaoticidealism June 2 2009, 22:35:23 UTC

They often do diagnose by childhood history rather than by current symptoms. The criterion that mentions "delays or abnormal functioning in..." can be fulfilled if you had a speech delay, even if you haven't got one now ( ... )

Re: stephanielynnkeil.blogspot.com anonymous June 3 2009, 04:53:02 UTC

By what book?
The one *you* made up?
Because on your blog you not only repeatedly claim that people with AS aren't autistic (wrong by "the book") and you also question the diagnosis of autistics with an autism dx, even if they made their dx papers available to the public.

In the name of avoiding hypocrisy I want to suggest the following:
Everyone who posts vicious rumours on their blog questioning the diagnosis of other autistics should maybe post their own dx to prove *they* have a right to represent autism.

Re: stephanielynnkeil.blogspot.com ext_191603 June 3 2009, 04:57:36 UTC

^^^Apologies for the anonymous comment. That was me in response to Stephanie.
(I forgot to paste in my URL.)
Gonzo

Re: stephanielynnkeil.blogspot.com chaoticidealism June 3 2009, 17:39:51 UTC

The "book" in question is the DSM. It does say "autistic disorder" trumps "asperger's disorder". However, the criteria for autistic disorder include ever having had a speech delay. That's the confusing thing. In adulthood, it is possible for someone with an autistic disorder diagnosis and someone with an asperger's disorder diagnosis to have identical check-marks in the DSM boxes--all except for childhood history of speech or developmental delays ( ... )

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