On rape and men (Oh yes, I'm going there)

Jun 05, 2009 22:38

Yes, we've hit one of those times. Something has been building, and it has to come out.

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ranalore June 6 2009, 05:39:53 UTC
Oh, man, this. Senor started out a good guy, but he was very much a good guy whose inclination was to say to a woman bringing up this problem, "Hey, not all guys are like that," rather than to say to another man trying to dismiss the problem, "Hey, the fact that you're dismissing what she's saying is a symptom." He's not perfect by any means, but on this issue at least, there's been progress. Now not only is he the guy who will knock another guy on his ass for touching a woman without her permission (and he's in a position of authority over several U.S. sailors), not only is he the guy the female sailors stay close to when abroad and out on the town, who they ask for help and rides and proper procedures, but he's also the guy who looks at a fellow sailor griping about "that bitch who wouldn't put out" and tells him to think really carefully about why a woman might not be interested in a man who talked about her like that. He reinforces the idea of uncoerced consent, and never lets his guys not question themselves.

The really sad thing is, there are several men in his same position within his detachment, and he's extraordinary just for acknowledging a woman's sovereignty over her own body. He's extraordinary in our church for the same reason, and that is super-extra nauseating. He shouldn't stand out for these things. These things should be baseline.

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cereta June 6 2009, 20:55:19 UTC
Yes. It is both great that he is that guy, and sad that we have to consider him great for it.

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moral_vacuum June 11 2009, 21:10:28 UTC
I don't generally agree with the idea of human cloning, but in his case I'd definitely make an exception.

It's a case of wanting giving a lecture which ends "...and this is what a REAL man does. Macho assholes please note".

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ranalore June 11 2009, 23:04:00 UTC
That's it exactly. He feels, and says, that the baseline for a real man should be decent human being.

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