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varemaerke July 21 2005, 04:05:57 UTC
angered european hannoverian and holsteiner owner here.

most the horses that the AWS approves are just jokes to the name "warmblood". call it something else, but the grade horses i've seen are not, nor will never be warmbloods. say it together now, "grades". if you combine an arab with an european warmblood, you have an arab and an european warmblood cross. A + B does not make A or B, it makes C.
A+A=A, B+B=B, anything else, is a grade, a mutt, a mix, a cross. the AWS is trying to do the whole "grrreat melting pot" of america thing to the warmblood name. it just never will be a warmblood in the sense that the name means.

maybe i'm just a backwards old purist, but i believe this isn't a step forward.

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l0lalovesy0u July 21 2005, 04:10:46 UTC
i owned an american warmblood colt. i adore him.

1/4 DWB, 2/4 TB, 1/4 AQHA.

He doesn't have the big boxy ugly warmblood head and he is honestly going to be a very nice sporthorse because, his mom was a sporty lanky appendix, not a fat ass grade one. I think it's hard to not focus on RIGHT NOW and think of the grand scheme of AWS. AWS is probably going to churn out some piss poor horses in the next few years. But I think eventually they will have some nice bloodlines to work with [probably at least 10 generations after they close the stud/brood books]. But it's hard to say if they ever WiLL close them. If Legion VF was your sporthorse greatgreatgreat grandsire, you might have a very nice sporthorse with just a HiNT on the elegance from Legion, because, no denying, he is very elegant looking. But most of the horses inbetween Legion and his greatgreatgreatgreatgrandkids isn't going to be up to par in my books.

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varemaerke July 21 2005, 04:24:50 UTC
theres no denying that he has elegance. in that very araby flowy oohs-and-ahhs fairytale horse sort of way haha. thats just not something i feel the warmblood sector needs. what i was mostly refering is the use of the word warmblood. a warmblood is a breed of horse in itself refined over the years in (the leaders) germany, denmark, holland, sweden, and russia ( ... )

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l0lalovesy0u July 21 2005, 04:34:03 UTC
they just arent a refined warmblood breed ( ... )

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_neigh July 21 2005, 05:04:06 UTC
America is simply in the beginning stages of taking their american breeds, and cross breeding them to get the ultimate jumping machine.

.. or at least that's what the AWB association claims.

do european warmbloods carry the "X" factor (enlarged hearts)? (sorry, OT, but i'm JW)

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