palin pick produces pounds of pleasure

Sep 03, 2008 11:50

Time for me to address the elephant in the room. The young, female elephant to be precise.

abandon hope, all ye who enter here )

palin, election, mccain, politics

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k_sui September 3 2008, 17:57:40 UTC
Just for the record, I think if it was indeed McCain's ploy to pick up disaffected Hillary voters by choosing Sarah Palin, then he was mistaken.

She might not, however, be as fiscally conservative as one might be led to believe.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008154664_palin03.html

And before you dismiss the source, the Seattle Times is very middle of the road (unlike its competitor which is unabashedly liberal) -- socially liberal, but never a fan of excessive government and even less so of tax hikes.

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caspian_x September 3 2008, 19:26:04 UTC
Just for the record, I think if it was indeed McCain's ploy to pick up disaffected Hillary voters by choosing Sarah Palin, then he was mistaken.

...based on? Isn't it a bit soon to tell?

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k_sui September 3 2008, 19:47:33 UTC
Based on my assumptions about the enormous gulf in policy preferences between the two of them. Although to be fair, you're right, aside from her well-known positions on abortion (only in cases where the mother will die) and drilling for oil (yes, please, even though neither the state nor the oil companies own the land in question) I don't know too much about her in the big picture sense. However, one would assume that the Hillary supporters would still support the party nominee, or at least not take direct action to defeat him, but it is the Democratic Party after all. All assumptions should be carefully vetted and compulsively re-examined until Obama takes the oath in January.

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caspian_x September 3 2008, 19:54:44 UTC
There are two equal and opposite absurd assumptions about women voters in this election:

1. The vast majority of women voters who would otherwise vote for Obama will vote for McCain because Palin is a woman.

2. No women voters who would otherwise vote for Obama will vote for McCain because Palin is a woman.

There will be a contingent of women voters who would otherwise vote for Obama - many of them likely disaffected former Hillary supporters - that want to see a woman on the winning ticket. Perhaps some of them already had their doubts about Obama's leadership ability and substantive experience and Palin puts them over the edge. But there will be some voters like that. The only question is whether it will be a significant contingent or not.

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rhyana September 3 2008, 20:09:38 UTC
Well, my mother isn't a Hillary supporter (she's voted Republican since 1972), but she's said that Palin is a deal-breaker for this election simply on her stance on reproductive rights.

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caspian_x September 3 2008, 20:17:03 UTC
This isn't directed at you because you certainly didn't coin it, but the the phrase "reproductive rights" to refer to abortion is absurd.

By the time abortion is relevant, the man and woman in question have already exercised their reproductive rights. Abortion is not a form of contraception but is treated as such. It's not a reproductive right. It's not reproduction.

I prefer calling it fetal-skull-crushing rights. Or fetal-brain-suctioning rights. Fetal-heart-stopping rights works, too.

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resk September 3 2008, 20:31:12 UTC
We all have the right to reproduce!

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caspian_x September 3 2008, 20:34:07 UTC
Indeed we do. We all have the right to chose to reproduce or not to reproduce.

By the time there is a third human in question, those rights have been exercised.

The "right" we're talking about has less to do with reproduction and more to do with killing a human before it becomes too much of a nuisance.

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resk September 3 2008, 20:36:38 UTC
Back to the topic at hand, annicat just sent me this. I'd be surprised if it comes to pass, but it's certainly possible.

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caspian_x September 3 2008, 20:37:40 UTC
I'd be very surprised indeed.

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rhyana September 3 2008, 20:47:37 UTC
It's not just abortion she opposes. Contraception, education, those things also make up reproductive rights, and those are things she also opposes.

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