econ 101: high taxes don't fix economic declines

May 28, 2008 13:47

For all my Michigander (Michigeese?) friends, with love from Fark:


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economics, stupid, politics

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annicat May 28 2008, 19:27:43 UTC
yeah, had absolutely nothing to do with oil supply and demand and the fact that the auto industry is the primary source of employment in the state. Or that businesses are turning tail and running to other states because they can tell that if the big 3 go away there won't be any way for them to run their businesses. or that tourism is down because people aren't driving to our ski areas or beaches.

yeah, the tax hike was the ONLY factor in the recession. you really nailed that one Casp.

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caspian_x May 28 2008, 19:30:29 UTC
Could you point me to the place where I said the tax hike was the ONLY factor in the recession? I can't seem find it. Anywhere.

What I said was that a tax hike DURING an economic down turn (which would imply that the economic down turn pre-existed the tax hike) is a bad idea.

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annicat May 28 2008, 19:32:49 UTC
Sorry, i'm feeling exceptionally sarcastic today.

Regardless, Clinton and Obama aren't Granholm. I think we can all be thankful for that.

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caspian_x May 28 2008, 19:35:11 UTC
No worries, it happens to me all the time.

No they're not, but they both want to hike our taxes by an alarming percentage.

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annicat May 28 2008, 19:37:39 UTC
Caspian, did you just acknowledge that the country is in a recession?

must. log. off. must. log. off. must. log. off.

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caspian_x May 28 2008, 19:42:08 UTC
I didn't use the r-word, but I will acknowledge that although I never think a tax hike is a good idea, now would be just about the worst time for one that we've seen in quite some time.

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annicat May 28 2008, 19:44:18 UTC
the "r-word"

that's awesome! HAHAHAHA! I'm so stealing that. (I'm not even being mean. That's a hoot)

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caspian_x May 28 2008, 19:45:18 UTC
Glad to bring another smile to someone's face!

And that's so not mine, I heard it elsewhere. Ya know, just full disclosure or whatever.

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k_sui May 28 2008, 21:36:51 UTC
now would be just about the worst time for one that we've seen in quite some time

Because, of course, the fact that our long-term obligations outstrip our income is absolutely no reason for worry.

/sarcasm

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caspian_x May 28 2008, 21:38:05 UTC
When my long term obligations outstrip my income, I am forced to cut spending. How about the gov't try that for a change?

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k_sui May 28 2008, 21:44:20 UTC
I don't disagree entirely. However, non-defense and non-discretionary spending only accounts for 31% of the federal budget. There's only so much cutting that can be done.

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caspian_x May 28 2008, 21:47:16 UTC
Well, let's start there and then talk.

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k_sui May 28 2008, 21:51:13 UTC
And for what it's worth . . .

The potential tax hikes aren't that bad -- they're still talking about a 15% rate on cap gains and dividends and moving the marginal rate brackets back to the Clinton schedule which, to offer a historical perspective, were actually lower than the rates in Reagan's first term.

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randybamf May 28 2008, 19:45:34 UTC
I'd suggest that starting off with that failurific headline made it difficult to see any serious points you made afterwards. Where the headline implies "Action: Tax Hike --- Result: Recession", the reality is that the tax hike was made 12 months into *this* recession. I emphasize "this" because Michigan has been in or on the edge of recession since the days of Engler.

At this point it's far to early to gauge at all what impact the tax hike will have.

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caspian_x May 28 2008, 19:47:25 UTC
True, the farkline implies a causal relationship that may or may not exist. But it's certainly fair to say that the tax hike is not the economic savior that Dems try to advertise.

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