World Cup World Cup World Cup and RUGBY

Jun 11, 2006 18:27

Just to recap, so far

Magda after round 1 won against no one
Magda lost to Luke*
Jenny won against no one
Caroline and Moriarty drew, but everyone thinks it's as good as a win [to Moriarty], and
Lola beat Anne

Tonight
David plays Tom*

Monday
Abby plays Jess*
Jeff* plays Gabrielle*
Ro plays Jack

* means I've decided you're this country - ( translation )

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carnelle_scott June 11 2006, 13:09:13 UTC
What old man?

Offside - you need to watch Bend It Like Beckham, there's a great little scene with KK and her parents where they use condaments to demonstrate the rule.
Don't worry about asking, it's a pleasant distraction. I'm even going to draw pictures to demonstrate.



The offside rule applies at the moment when the ball is sent forward (that's why they show that slow/stop film when the pass is made when they want to check for themselves). There must be at least one defender between you and the goal.
In the picture, the 'top' attacker is offside, but the 'bottom' one is not.
You don't get called unless you play the ball. If you realise you're offside (or see the flag, the linesmen run up and down the line, and raise their flags if players are offside) then you can just let play go on and ignore the pass. That's what our top attacker would be doing.
You can't be offside in your own half though, so defenders (when their team is attacking) will generally move up to the half way line to push the attackers out. An offside trap is something we used to do in school. The defenders used to move up quickly when the pass was about to come towards them to get opposing attackers offside.
The best game I played in year 12 was against some school where one of the defenders and the goal keeper must have been great friends, and just stood around chatting. I could roam free (as an attacker) around the attacking half.

Make sense? Just read the first bit, the rest is waffle.

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the_moriarty June 11 2006, 13:25:55 UTC

The old man who's meant to be "history", in those ads where the Socceroos are playing and kick the ball at him.

And thanks hoards, that does make sense. The diagram helped a lot and what helped even more was just as I finished reading, someone was offside in the game I've got on in the background, and they did the slow-motion thing to make your point.
Haha, your story is funny - I used to be friends with the goalie in hockey (I was full back) so we were always talking just like that. I've never played a "proper" soccer game. I wish we had it at my school. No, we did. I wish I didn't avoid it because I had a reputation for disliking sports and am bad at soccer.

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carnelle_scott June 11 2006, 13:41:18 UTC
Ah yes.

I don't know about offside in hockey - do they have it. Rugby is the craziest. You're offside if you're infront of the ball! Always behind.

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the_moriarty June 11 2006, 13:49:19 UTC


I don't remember there ever being any offside rules in the games we played, but we might not have been playing with all the rules. In fact, there definitely wasn't offside when we played, because you could just practically run right up into the goals.
I remember doing rugby in PE a few times. Definitely crazy rules. All I remember is "whatever you do, don't throw it forward."

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carnelle_scott June 11 2006, 13:53:47 UTC
That's based on the offside business. If you're throwing it forward then the person is infront of you (and the ball), and therefore offside.

PS you can run right up to the goals in soccer too, as long as you have the ball, or it's already been kicked forward.

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the_moriarty June 11 2006, 14:03:59 UTC


Well, it looks like I'm not 100% clear yet, then.

So, running with the ball doesn't count as kicking it forward? What about it you've got the ball, and you're a fair way away from the goals but there are no defenders in front of you - can you shoot, or do you get flagged for being offside?
And in your diagram, can the guy with the ball pass to the person who's offside? Or does it only matter if that guy wants to do something with the ball?

I hope these questions make sense and are not confusing. I think you explain it better than trying to read about it online.

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carnelle_scott June 11 2006, 14:27:36 UTC
No, running with the ball is not kicking it forward, in the way I've used the terms above.
In the diagram, the guy who is kicking the ball is not going to dribble it forward, but do a long pass. This is where offside applies, when the ball is passed, or played, forward.
The situation where you're a long way in front of defenders is unusual, I dare say, but so long as you were onside when the ball was played forward, or you had it from the half way line and just happened to run so much faster than the defenders that you've got all the time to yourself, there's nothing wrong with that.
In the diagram above, the guy has crossed the ball into the box, for an attacker to run onto (this is pretty much a replication of Wanchope's goal on Friday). "Ansyte" is allowed to run on and play the cross. If "Urfzyde" runs on to it, though, he will be called offside, and the defenders will get a free kick.

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the_moriarty June 11 2006, 14:35:38 UTC


Alright, that makes sense.
I think I've got it.
Haha, I wish there really were players with those names. It'd get so much more confusing than "one shot". There's a guy playing for Holland whose name sounds like "cuckoo".

This world cup is good for my health. It's inspiring me to do all these crazy things like run laps around my house. I'm in training for the "big game". I keep imagining in my head it will be *just* like world cup level - I've really got to snap out of it!

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carnelle_scott June 11 2006, 14:54:35 UTC
the_moriarty June 11 2006, 14:59:17 UTC

Inside, not outside. But the running around the block desire is there. I was about to go tonight, but decided that was just procrastination going too far (ie. procrastination no longer bounded to my room).

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carnelle_scott June 12 2006, 06:56:27 UTC
I get the running around desire too. I've started kicking my football around my backyard.

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the_moriarty June 12 2006, 07:00:01 UTC


That was my plan, too! I hadn't gotten around to it yet, but soon, soon. It looks like a nice day outside....

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carnelle_scott June 12 2006, 07:05:13 UTC
So, want to decide when to have the match?

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the_moriarty June 12 2006, 07:07:59 UTC

Sounds like a good idea to me. I'm really looking forward to it, and hope we get lots of people in. What were the final date restrictions?

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carnelle_scott June 12 2006, 07:21:46 UTC
Date restrictions?

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the_moriarty June 12 2006, 07:24:29 UTC


As in, when can everyone you've asked about it play? "It has to be after *this time*" and "it can't be *this day*"?

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