HMD;; May 2010
FIRST OFF: INTERNET DRAMA AND YOU! And if this is your first round, you might want to take a look at HOW TO GIVE AND TAKE CRITICISM.
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Good. Now let's start.
✖ HOW'S MY DRIVING?✖
Okay kids, it's one post for the entire game this round! So everyone will be found in here!
( LET'S DO THIS CRAZY THING )
Read that?
Good. Now let's start.
✖ HOW'S MY DRIVING?✖
Okay kids, it's one post for the entire game this round! So everyone will be found in here!
( LET'S DO THIS CRAZY THING )
You can't really base your judgments of what your character would do ICly now on what you know will happen in the future. Technically, you're crossing ic/ooc knowledge lines by doing so!
If Miles would take a stand and say 'to hell with you, sir, I shall be freezing your ass to your fancy little spinny leather office chair' and go and do it as of this last post, then I should play him as going to do so. Even if I know that two days from now the Mayor is going to fall off a cliff and Edgeworth is going to get there only to find an empty office and a lot of wasted airfare. Even if I know that guards will kill him on the way back out and it would mean that he'd still be dead for the sudden attack on the City five days from then.
You play your character. You should know how they would react on a day-to-day basis to what's going on. And for a plot that's meant to be mysterious and have world-bending effects and would be utterly dull if it were all lined out, you shouldn't have access to the ending information--which, according to the mods, could potentially change to some degree according to what player characters choose to do on the way.
The fun isn't in reading the guide for all the endings and playing to get the best one. It's shooting for the one you think is right and hoping you've hopped on the right train by the time you come to the end of the tracks.
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And sometimes knowledge ahead of time is necessary to properly play your character without ruining things for everyone else, because you don't have carte blanche to act as you want. You have to respect the wishes of other characters.
Sometimes you need to know that, hey, the President is meeting with your people because your character is super paranoid and distrusts the Man and observes the movements of the President very closely with future tech. Or maybe you don't trust Tony and Norman at all and you watch what they do or where they go.
There are a ton of reasons why someone would want more information, some of which are even necessary to play their characters correctly. AND it could be done without ruining the big reveal.
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And if it is IC for my character to do something? Then yes. I do. It may suck complete and utter balls for someone he knows to have to deal with the painful actions of someone they know, and how they'll feel about what he does may be a large factor in his choice to go through with it--but if he would, then he should. I don't need to run every single choice I make with the people I play by every single person who plays the people they know. That's an inherent danger in having CR with other people--sometimes, it's going to affect you.
Furthermore, it is not the responsibility of someone to need to second-guess all of another player's reactions for them. If I have never been told and/or am not aware that someone is afraid of the government, and watches their every move, then I can not be expected to sit down and tell them everything. The moment something turns political, that player should take the responsibility to get up and ask, "So if I have x trait, what will I be noticing?" or "I know Tony's a big power player and this seems up his alley; if my person is watching them right now, what will they see?" If they don't, that's a shame, but it sucks.
Say that character didn't know about the meeting with the President. Well, then the secret goings-on would be more fodder for them to go I WAS RIGHT WASN'T I WASN'T I YOU SEE THEY'RE EVERYWHERE EVERYWHEEEEERE.
Not everyone can be perfect all the time--not even comic book characters. Edgeworth watches Tony as often as possible, but he had no idea Stark was meeting with the President.
And that's okay.
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But we're not talking about characters revealing things, we're talking about mods revealing things or sharing more information on a huge plot. I don't think being completely open about the outcome is what's necessary but I think offering more information so that characters can plan accordingly and in an IC manner would be more helpful and beneficial.
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A few things would be okay, you know? Sure, it'd be interesting if I knew if the HIVE has some seekrit other use for Trowa but didn't get told what it was or any of their plans or their numbers or who's in charge of what groups etc etc. But that's not what was said.
As of the next post we're just going to drop the mystery (almost altogether, there are a few details that we'll be keeping in the dark).
That's not allowing characters to plan accordingly, and that's not throwing a few choice bits out for people to chew on in suspense. That's near-complete removal of the mystery and the OOC dramatic tension after people spend weeks continually complaining that they don't want/feel they can't do anything until they know.
And that? Is a choice the player made.
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Rereading my comments, I'm pretty sure I never said what the mods were doing with the reveal was what was necessary or helpful. I didn't even address it, rather I was addressing the fact that having more information could be useful and important to getting the most of an IC reaction.
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Which, I suppose, is where the idea of having more information may very well make a chunk of IC reactions not-so-IC all things considered comes from, which is why I am against the putting out of it beyond the barest of teasers. 'Necessary' and 'helpful' seems to be translating at least a good portion of the time into 'what I can use ICly', not 'giving me the player a sense of peace of mind'.
I'm not sure if I'm explaining that well enough; I hope I am?
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It seems like from what Zero said that opening up some details so that players can plug in and get involved will help with the things I was talking about. I meant it more from an involvement point of view rather than predicting what your character will do.
TV shows/movies/authors/etc have the benefit of knowing what will happen and can have a character react accordingly that's IC and makes them look good. In this instance we don't have that but you're right, it can make it more fun and offer a challenge. I just think when it prevents people from getting involved some of the mystery needs to be stripped away.
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Jesse (am I spelling this right? I never remember argh) suggested... well, somewhere below, I seem to be going blind now even though I just replied to it /stare
Anyway, he suggested a book-style blurb about it. That, I think, would be good, you know? Satisfy everyone all around. Here's a bit more vague information for you, here's a lack of important detail for you, and for that guy in the corner who just needs to know if he has to leave to Tahiti at the end of it stop sharpening your teeth I see you doing that yes there will in fact be delicious beatings.
I'd like that.
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Don't taze me bro!
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Who did you think I wanted you to play messenger for?
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I suggested you play messenger.
You want money.
I know one of the richest people in the City.
Why would I tase you?
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