Reply to Hardmod and uncut-diamond:emilystarr1March 15 2004, 11:46:23 UTC
Firstly, I believe the human whoring of ALL animals is wrong. Cows, cod, elephants, seals, pigs, chickens, etc. And I fight for them all to stop.
Secondly, to the ones who rely on the hunt for food and money:
A) There is better food. Try it.
B) The hunt is no longer a viable source of income, but a 'tradition'. Some traditions have to die. Even former Newfoundland Fisheries Minister John Efford (to the Newfoundland Legislature)agrees there's no market:
"Mr. Speaker, I would like to see the six million, or whatever number is out there, killed or sold, or destroyed or burned. I do not care what happens to them. The fact is that the markets are not there to sell more seals. What they (the fishermen) wanted was to have the right to go out and kill the seals. They have that right, and the more they kill the better I will love it."
Hmph. As for oil and penises and other such excuses, there are better sources. As for the cod argument, seals eat cod predators.
As for the money brought in to these communities, there are better
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Re: Reply to Hardmod and uncut-diamond:uncut_diamondMarch 15 2004, 12:33:05 UTC
"Whoring?" That's an interesting choice of word.
A) There is better food. Try it No money means no buying "better" food, better being rather subjective in this context.
Can you put a date stamp on John Efford's quote? It's at least two to three years old. Is it not possible that a market's emerged since then? Or are things such as the economy as stagnant as the tired arguments marshalled an nausem every year?
As for oil and penises and other such excuses, there are better sources. Better? I'm not the type to use aphrodiacs, but I ask you again, who are you to impose your opinions on others
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Re: Reply to Hardmod and uncut-diamond:emilystarr1March 16 2004, 21:42:15 UTC
'Whoring' is just a personal slang term I use to mean a corruption and enslavement against the being's will.
"Better" food meaning, strictly, veggies. Although also I understand that many of the sealers don't eat the seal meat at all and leave it on the floes. Not economically worth it. Is seal eaten a lot there? Is it a ton cheaper than other alternatives? (Even if it is, by the way, I still oppose the hunt.)
Can you put a date stamp on John Efford's quote? -snip- Is it not possible that a market's emerged since then? Or are things such as the economy as stagnant as the tired arguments marshalled an nausem every year?
May 4, 1998. A bigger pelt market has emerged- but that doesn't make it right. And the market will swing down again - and I don't want my family's tax dollars going to subsidies that support the hunt. But Efford's quote, though out of date, shows how the big guys in charge really feel.
Better? I'm not the type to use aphrodiacs, but I ask you again, who are you to impose your opinions on others? Well, if it was
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Re: Reply to Hardmod and uncut-diamond:autosuggestionMarch 20 2004, 17:41:26 UTC
i for the most part agree, especially with the questioning of the term "whoring," which i find really disrespectful to sex workers.
also, assuming the seal hunt was only tradition (i know it's not), why does that make it less important? this comes up quite often in questions surrounding aboriginal rights, where (white) people claim that such things should be entirely eliminated without any regard for the cultures of people who have already had to deal with racist, assiminationist etc. policies.
Re: Reply to Hardmod and uncut-diamond:emilystarr1March 27 2004, 14:02:56 UTC
i for the most part agree, especially with the questioning of the term "whoring," which i find really disrespectful to sex workers.
Actually, in my context, it is nothing against sex workers. I used it in the context of basically using beings against their own will - which I personally feel the sex industry does. It's the last ditch way for a lot of people to get the money they need to survive. I hate that there is a market for the sex industry - but sex workers themselves I have nothing against and meant absolutely no disrespect to. They're caught in a vicious cycle in vicious societies.
also, assuming the seal hunt was only tradition (i know it's not), why does that make it less important? this comes up quite often in questions surrounding aboriginal rights, where (white) people claim that such things should be entirely eliminated without any regard for the cultures of people who have already had to deal with racist, assiminationist etc. policies.Well, firstly, I wasn't just talking about Aboriginal tradition. All the sealers and
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Secondly, to the ones who rely on the hunt for food and money:
A) There is better food. Try it.
B) The hunt is no longer a viable source of income, but a 'tradition'. Some traditions have to die. Even former Newfoundland Fisheries Minister John Efford (to the Newfoundland Legislature)agrees there's no market:
"Mr. Speaker, I would like to see the six million, or whatever number is out there, killed or sold, or destroyed or burned. I do not care what happens to them. The fact is that the markets are not there to sell more seals. What they (the fishermen) wanted was to have the right to go out and kill the seals. They have that right, and the more they kill the better I will love it."
Hmph. As for oil and penises and other such excuses, there are better sources. As for the cod argument, seals eat cod predators.
As for the money brought in to these communities, there are better ( ... )
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A) There is better food. Try it No money means no buying "better" food, better being rather subjective in this context.
Can you put a date stamp on John Efford's quote? It's at least two to three years old. Is it not possible that a market's emerged since then? Or are things such as the economy as stagnant as the tired arguments marshalled an nausem every year?
As for oil and penises and other such excuses, there are better sources. Better? I'm not the type to use aphrodiacs, but I ask you again, who are you to impose your opinions on others ( ... )
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"Better" food meaning, strictly, veggies. Although also I understand that many of the sealers don't eat the seal meat at all and leave it on the floes. Not economically worth it. Is seal eaten a lot there? Is it a ton cheaper than other alternatives? (Even if it is, by the way, I still oppose the hunt.)
Can you put a date stamp on John Efford's quote? -snip- Is it not possible that a market's emerged since then? Or are things such as the economy as stagnant as the tired arguments marshalled an nausem every year?
May 4, 1998. A bigger pelt market has emerged- but that doesn't make it right. And the market will swing down again - and I don't want my family's tax dollars going to subsidies that support the hunt. But Efford's quote, though out of date, shows how the big guys in charge really feel.
Better? I'm not the type to use aphrodiacs, but I ask you again, who are you to impose your opinions on others? Well, if it was ( ... )
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also, assuming the seal hunt was only tradition (i know it's not), why does that make it less important? this comes up quite often in questions surrounding aboriginal rights, where (white) people claim that such things should be entirely eliminated without any regard for the cultures of people who have already had to deal with racist, assiminationist etc. policies.
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Actually, in my context, it is nothing against sex workers. I used it in the context of basically using beings against their own will - which I personally feel the sex industry does. It's the last ditch way for a lot of people to get the money they need to survive. I hate that there is a market for the sex industry - but sex workers themselves I have nothing against and meant absolutely no disrespect to. They're caught in a vicious cycle in vicious societies.
also, assuming the seal hunt was only tradition (i know it's not), why does that make it less important? this comes up quite often in questions surrounding aboriginal rights, where (white) people claim that such things should be entirely eliminated without any regard for the cultures of people who have already had to deal with racist, assiminationist etc. policies.Well, firstly, I wasn't just talking about Aboriginal tradition. All the sealers and ( ... )
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