Its About $%#%^$&ing time!!!!

Feb 02, 2007 10:49

'Planet's future is at stake,' says Baird ( Read more... )

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observing_ego February 2 2007, 19:28:02 UTC
If Canada stopped producing green house gasses, like 100%, tomorrow, it wouldn't make any difference other than to inspire bigger nations [which are more responsible for this stuff] like China and India to follow our lead. In the case of Canada, Kyoto is symbolic. And no one has the guts to say it.

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harry_beast February 2 2007, 22:10:35 UTC
Given the devastation that dramatically reducing Canada's GHG would wreak on Canada's economy and standard of living, and the negligible beneficial effect it would have, it would likely inspire China and India to take a pass on following Canada´s lead.

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observing_ego February 2 2007, 22:25:31 UTC
If that's true, then there's no reason Canada should do anything...

I mean ...other than live with storms, fires, floods, bugs, drought, melting glaciers, less snow, and dead polar bears.

Maybe we should tell larger nations to stop, or else we'll get a nuke and use it? heh. "Did that treat come from Canada? tell them to fuck off."

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harry_beast February 3 2007, 14:49:18 UTC
Cycles or warmer and colder temperatures have been with us for some time. So have storms, fires, floods, bugs, drought, melting glaciers, snow and polar bears.

Canada should do as much as it can and make reasonable and meaningful sacrifices to reduce pollution. It shouldn't, however, unilaterally commit economic suicide and expect other countries to follow suit.

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observing_ego February 3 2007, 17:02:23 UTC
Yes, and according to reports from EVERYONE we're the cause of what's happening. The storms, fires, floods, bugs, drought, metling glaciers, snow and dead polar bears .. NOT A PART OF THE NATURAL CYCLE!

The entire point was that the amount of pollution that Canada produces is hardly responsible for this mess. The only effective actions we can take is to lead by example.

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manuka February 3 2007, 17:13:45 UTC
So what's different about this particular round of storms/fires/floods/etc that makes it not part of the cycle?

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harry_beast February 5 2007, 00:27:51 UTC
The difference is that a bunch of celebrities are now running around declaring the end of the world.

The idea that the climate is never changing was conceived by people who spend too much time in their air conditioned limousines.

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manuka February 5 2007, 03:54:02 UTC
See, last time the weather got weird, it was all bout El Nino. This time the trendy thing is global warming.

You know, I never did quite understand why celebrities think that their celebrity status alone allows them to speak authoritatively on matters of politics, science, and foreign policy. If they had a background in such things, I'd be a little more forgiving, but very few of them do.

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loser_sause February 4 2007, 16:43:45 UTC
economic suicide? wow, its almost like your trying to justify inaction by invoking the great and powerful economy. have you looked at an enconomy textbook? have you ever wondered how a goal of infinite growth (i.e. profit) on a world with set resourses (i.e. ability to sustain life) is not "economic suicide"..

but dont worry I am just another one of those "socialsts" deniers of the good and right in 90% of the worlds wealth being held by less than 10% of the population...

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dannnielle February 3 2007, 04:14:45 UTC
This is somewhat extreme. If the means taken to impliment the reductions are made intelligently the impact on the economy wouldn't be nearly as dire as you've painted it.

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manuka February 3 2007, 05:57:53 UTC
The amount of money that needs to be spent to comply is severely disproportionate to the benefit to be gained. The economic reality is that compliance will likely drive those businesses to other countries where the restrictions are minimal or nonexistent. That has a major impact on quality of life.

Perhaps you should get out of your box and do some selective reading on basic economics.

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observing_ego February 3 2007, 17:05:03 UTC
And ironically, those others countries are the main cause of the problem.

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manuka February 3 2007, 17:09:25 UTC
Bingo. Which is why they quite happily signed onto Kyoto. Certainly wasn't going to hurt them any.

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harry_beast February 3 2007, 15:02:29 UTC
I'm in favour of a controlled conversion of the economy toward sustainability, but the reduction targets will not be met by the Kyoto deadline without drastic and immediate action.

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