turkish etc
Yesterday while searching for the Bosnian words to a famous turkish song that my klezmer group always plays, I came upon this really interesting thread on a messageboard called All Empires about the similarities between "Turkish zeybeks and Greek zeibekiko" .. The common roots of everything from those 2 countries being often denied by nationalists, it's very refreshing to see people from both countries posting amazing examples of this style of music. Actually seeing the narrow chauvinistic nationalism on Wikipedia and Youtube these days--long flame wars hating pretty much every obscure ethnic group--this thread is a breath of fresh air.
"...Manolis Chiotis unfortunately, mucked things up when he introduced the four-chord bouzouki in the immediate post-war era and the fact that he also electrified the bouzouki. This meant that rembetika lost tehir Eastern (cf Turkish) flavour and became wholly European with a cheapened Turkish sound. Still, even in the 50s and 60s there were some good Greek rembetika, but it was not the classic sound any longer (I am one the purists).
I am curious, in Turkey, do the men still dance zeimbekiko alone? That's how it used to be in Greece too. Now women also get up to dance it... (and no, I am not sexist)
One more question for our Turkish friends: Is the old style or rembetika (sorry for any incorrect spelling) still palyed in Turkiye? Is the master still in the centre in the teke or hamam?"
The whole messageboard looks very interesting to someone wondering about the world. Look at the Modern Culture forum for example, or the historical sections by era. It's a ridiculous wealth of non-chauvinistic information. I'm gonna have to start reading it.
I just invented a funny dish with what I had on hand, it's actually really good. Fried sauerkraut with rice and chopped tofu-sausages, with chopped onion, cayenne, paprika, a lot of black pepper and a bit of wine. I wasn't sure if rice and sauerkraut would clash but it they actually complement each other in taste/texture very nicely!! Three cheers for experiments that work out.
"...Manolis Chiotis unfortunately, mucked things up when he introduced the four-chord bouzouki in the immediate post-war era and the fact that he also electrified the bouzouki. This meant that rembetika lost tehir Eastern (cf Turkish) flavour and became wholly European with a cheapened Turkish sound. Still, even in the 50s and 60s there were some good Greek rembetika, but it was not the classic sound any longer (I am one the purists).
I am curious, in Turkey, do the men still dance zeimbekiko alone? That's how it used to be in Greece too. Now women also get up to dance it... (and no, I am not sexist)
One more question for our Turkish friends: Is the old style or rembetika (sorry for any incorrect spelling) still palyed in Turkiye? Is the master still in the centre in the teke or hamam?"
The whole messageboard looks very interesting to someone wondering about the world. Look at the Modern Culture forum for example, or the historical sections by era. It's a ridiculous wealth of non-chauvinistic information. I'm gonna have to start reading it.
I just invented a funny dish with what I had on hand, it's actually really good. Fried sauerkraut with rice and chopped tofu-sausages, with chopped onion, cayenne, paprika, a lot of black pepper and a bit of wine. I wasn't sure if rice and sauerkraut would clash but it they actually complement each other in taste/texture very nicely!! Three cheers for experiments that work out.