End of Penguindrum

Dec 24, 2011 11:43

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motorbike December 24 2011, 22:29:03 UTC
You bring up a lot of good points! I kind of got that the family sharing thing is supposed to be unsustainable, because in essence only Kanba was supposed to be alive post-flashbacks. I didn't read this as transferred sins of the parents as much as it was just the circumstance of Kanba's and Sho's and Himari's birth/situation, like they just got shitty lots in life and made a family to share the burden. Kanba decided to give part of his apple to Sho, and Sho gave part of his part to Himari. That's why Himari is the "weakest," because the sum of apple portion working against fate with her is least. In this sense at the end there is a net gain actually, I think the math is like ( ... )

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motorbike December 24 2011, 22:33:28 UTC
Haha I think it helped that I wasn't in it for the pairings, I was in it to see how everyone would get out of an impossible situation, and it pleased me that the ending actually solved a carefully set up puzzle instead of copping out.

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canis_m December 25 2011, 00:32:03 UTC
You bring up a lot of good points!

Lol a nice way of saying "what a load of crap"

the family sharing thing is supposed to be unsustainable

I get that's it's supposed to be that, according to the show, but I don't like that premise. Why can't it be sustainable? The show sez it's unsustainable because of the "curse," which I do read as the sins of the parents transmuted into society's disregard for the kids. I mean, the reason they're struggling orphans is that their (adoptive) parents were terrorists, and that's not just a shitty lot in life, that's a really specific family history tied to a specific incident that garners specific hatred. I guess my issue is, I'm not convinced of the unsustainability of consciously formed families, and I was looking for a more hopeful/optimistic outcome i.e. a way that the kids could save each other that didn't involve death by self-sacrifice because self-sacrifice (however noble and uplifting, yadda yadda) is the only way out of the loop.

the whole fatechange thing being a cycle that ( ... )

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motorbike December 26 2011, 09:16:00 UTC
Idt it's a load of crap, I can defs argue for the K side of things as well :Dv It's just that independently I didn't get the same thing out of the series.

RE: sustainability, nyonyo actually brings up something that I think the anime (non deliberately) handled so subtly that I didn't consciously pick up on it, which is the observable backlash of these people paradoxically being a "real" family while uh not being a real family. They love each other and need each other and share happiness, but even in the midst of that each of them is afraid that if they were to open up about the extents/costs of that love the whole circle would collapse. Like Kanba's situation with Himari is pretty fucked up, Sho only becomes himself with Ringo, Himari turns off her front so rarely that until like halfway through the series we don't even know her (tho I think she ended up being my favolite :D), etc. I think if the show had been more up front about this, the full arc of it would have been way cleaner. But my brain picked up on it anyway because idk I watched ( ... )

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motorbike December 26 2011, 09:29:35 UTC
ALSO GOOD SCREENSHOT ending is encapsulated perfectly :9 why r we even discussing

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