I agree with this rant, ahem, I mean post, in part, and disagree with it in part. Having not seen the "rules" that the writer posted for her (and I am assuming it is a she, although I believe you carefully avoided assigning a gender--shows how little faith I have in womankind, when in truth, that level of arrogance generally is found in the male of the species, isn't it
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Having not seen the "rules" that the writer posted for her (and I am assuming it is a she, although I believe you carefully avoided assigning a gender--shows how little faith I have in womankind, when in truth, that level of arrogance generally is found in the male of the species, isn't it?)
Uh, no. Actually, when I read this post, I immediately thought of a particular writer who would fit your description (female), although in reality, "he" is of actually just another J.T. Leroy. So I think your assumption is correct!
Try a little tendernessarwensongAugust 9 2007, 01:05:55 UTC
LOL! Whomever could you mean? Actually, I thought of at least three writers likely to have posted such a list of rules. You know all of them, and only one purports to be male. Since I don't play in those sandboxes, Ela or you will have to tell me which writer dares make such demands.
Re: Try a little tendernesscanervaAugust 9 2007, 06:59:39 UTC
I don't think you should know who I am writing about. If you happen to stumble on this writer's works, I think it best if you are free of prejudices and able to make your own decisions.
I think I know who you are pointing at, but I am not writing about that undecided person. LOL
But you are absolutely right: the undecided person could be the one. The person has been known to act like this. And there is a number of that kind of writers around.
I am not going to give up my rights as a reader in order to "get something to read". As things stand, I can always go to a bookstore and find something worth my money and time to read. There is fanfiction available that meets my standards, but the most of it, well it does not. And by the way, according to this particular writer, my standards are impossible to meet.
This writer, and I am not going to tell you who it is or what the gender of the person is, did not actually post a list of rules. No, the writer whined about lurkers, who read the writer's stories on LJ, but have the audacity not to comment, ever. The writer was going to purge those awful readers from the LJ-friendlist. So, I told the writer when I comment and when I do not. Only then I was told that since I'm not a compassionate and understanding human being the writer has no time for me. In addition, the writer saw it justified to insult me. Then, in the order to not have to deal with my response, the writer unfriended me. Do I need to tell you that the writer is hiding the stories on a locked LJ?
Why do writers friendlock their stories on LJ? These are not posts that are targeted for just a circle of friends. The people, hundreds of them, on their friendlist are not their friends, anyway. I think that those writers have control issues. They want to control the publicity, which, of course, cannot be controlled.
Re: Control issues and the lack of controlcanervaAugust 9 2007, 16:30:44 UTC
I would love to help you, Arwen! Your stories are worth reading more than once, and I might even print them now that I have a printer that works (for the first time in almost three years). It is a bit uncomfortable to explain to co-workers why I'm printing a book size text that has nothing to do with the work
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I think anyone has the right to demand anything they want, gentle Canerva, just as you have the right to blow raspberries back at them. Something about that idea does not sit well with me. If we grant people the right to demand whatever they want, is it a good thing? I think that people should not be granted that right. This is a heavy-handed example, but we can think of human rights. The societies of the world have negotiated and discussed and come to a certain decision. The process took decades if not centuries. It took two world wars, but the human kind got there. So, today, we have a concept of human rights that is widely known and accepted. Should we grant individuals the right to demand for themselves human rights that are different from that concept? Should it be accepted that some people come forth and say that, no, those human rights are giving too much rights to citizens, we want to restrain them more? Yes, it really is a heavy-handed example
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Oops. Sycophant is not the word I was seeking for. Among the people who are allowed to enter the locked or in other ways controlled LJs might be sycophants, but most of the people are just people who the writer finds supportive enough of his or her ideas. The LJ, or whatever the meeting place is, turns into a club for people with similar attitudes and values; the people with different world view are no longer welcomed.
But in negotiating, that is exactly how a consensus is reached...one side asks for what they want, the other side says what they will give. My point is, the writer can SAY, (or in this case, demand) "I require x, y, and z, of my readers or I will not write any more." The readers can then say, "yes, writer!" or they can say, "Go pour for yourself!" [I like that phrase
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If compared with negotiating, the difference is that the writer in question is not willing to reach a consensus. This writer is not willing to discuss the matter with me, a person who has the opposing opinion. I would welcome a debate in which I could get the arguments supporting the writer's point of view.
You insist that by opening a Live Journal, the writer agrees to some universal set of rules. There are none, I suggest. Here we go again: you are having one opinion and I am holding to the opposite one. It really is my opinion that there is a consensus of the rights of a reader. According to my experiences, after reading of a published text of any kind, I am entitled to form an opinion about it. I also have the right to inform the writer of my opinion. Further, I have the right to tell the writer what is the reason for my opinion, and I have even the right to suggest how the writer, in my opinion, could improve my opinion. And, last but not least, I have the right to defend myself against anything that is said about me or about
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Freedom's just another word for nothing left to losearwensongAugust 9 2007, 19:01:04 UTC
Ahh, but in the world of "negotiation" that I deal with every day, the reality is that often, no true negotiation takes place. If one side has more to lose than the other, that side makes all the concessions. If you want to read the work more than the writer wants your input, then you will give in to the rules. And if the writer wants your input, and the input of more people like you, more than an ego stroking group of syncophants (yes, I do think that is the correct word) those rules that are silly will be abandoned
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Re: Freedom's just another word for nothing left to losecanervaAugust 10 2007, 06:16:40 UTC
You're right: a great number of what should be negotiations are actually just quarrels. And what this particular writer turned my attempt at discussion is exactly that, a quarrel. It is quite interesting, in fact, how the quarrel begun from something that was intended to become a discussion between two mature writers. My mistake was that I treated the other writer as a mature person. But quarrelsome people are always the same: they seek a chance for fight. As people are wont to do, this person interpreted my words in a way that justified the starting of the quarrel. The interesting thing about this person is that the person starts the fight, but then pulls back and hides. Maybe this person wants to fight but has not the courage. Well, I'm not interested in quarreling with this person anyway.
In the "real" world of literary endeavor, you pay money for a book, and that entitles you, the reader, to certain expectations of the author. You can voice your opinion freely and the author can ignore you or not, but at the very least, you have
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No, this is not an idiom I knew before this. Thanks. It's good to learn things. LOL
We use "take a hike" and "go fuck yourself" in Finnish, too. They are quite common. But I think that the most used in my vocabulary would be "pour just for yourself, please". Is that familiar to you?
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Uh, no.
Actually, when I read this post, I immediately thought of a particular writer who would fit your description (female), although in reality, "he" is of actually just another J.T. Leroy. So I think your assumption is correct!
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But you are absolutely right: the undecided person could be the one. The person has been known to act like this. And there is a number of that kind of writers around.
I am not going to give up my rights as a reader in order to "get something to read". As things stand, I can always go to a bookstore and find something worth my money and time to read. There is fanfiction available that meets my standards, but the most of it, well it does not. And by the way, according to this particular writer, my standards are impossible to meet.
Ela, the ill-behaved fanfiction reader *grin*
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Why do writers friendlock their stories on LJ? These are not posts that are targeted for just a circle of friends. The people, hundreds of them, on their friendlist are not their friends, anyway. I think that those writers have control issues. They want to control the publicity, which, of course, cannot be controlled.
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You insist that by opening a Live Journal, the writer agrees to some universal set of rules. There are none, I suggest. Here we go again: you are having one opinion and I am holding to the opposite one. It really is my opinion that there is a consensus of the rights of a reader. According to my experiences, after reading of a published text of any kind, I am entitled to form an opinion about it. I also have the right to inform the writer of my opinion. Further, I have the right to tell the writer what is the reason for my opinion, and I have even the right to suggest how the writer, in my opinion, could improve my opinion. And, last but not least, I have the right to defend myself against anything that is said about me or about ( ... )
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In the "real" world of literary endeavor, you pay money for a book, and that entitles you, the reader, to certain expectations of the author. You can voice your opinion freely and the author can ignore you or not, but at the very least, you have ( ... )
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No, this is not an idiom I knew before this. Thanks. It's good to learn things. LOL
We use "take a hike" and "go fuck yourself" in Finnish, too. They are quite common. But I think that the most used in my vocabulary would be "pour just for yourself, please". Is that familiar to you?
Ela :)
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