One, a teacher was told to keep his own personal Bible (from which he never taught from, merely had in public view) out of site. The teachers wwere permitted to keep personal effects on their desks. The Bible was simply that, a personal effect, much like a photograph or appointment book. But he was told he couldn't keep it where the students could see it.
The teacher is someone that students look up to, if you were black and a teacher had a book about the KKK and white power on his/her desk you would feel threatened and harmed by it.
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The same man was told to remove the 10 commandments from a collage he had created and placed on his classroom wall. (Why have him remove the commandments? Why not ask him to also include Jewish prayers and Buhhdist teachings as well, in order to make the collage universal?) He did not require that the students learn the commandments, or even read them. He simply had them in place so that they may be seen. How can that be viewed as 'forcing' his religion on someone else?
Because to have religious items in a public school shows preference over one faith to another, or over NONE at all. You can not just have them all, because there are too many, and for those who do not believe you can't have any at all. It does hurt those who do not believe in those words in a religious was to have to see them. It makes them feel as if they might be seen as different, taught differenty because those are not their words of their faith.
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And another man was sued by the Civil Liberties Union for praying with his football team. Were the boys required to listen to the prayers? I doubt it. He was merely praying amongst a group of people, but was silenced for it.
The fact that it was with a football team, which was probably a PUBLIC school team is that in him saying a prayer or asking for a moment of silence you are stating one faith over another. Unless he said a prayer for every faith out there, and then did none for those who do not believe it is not correct under the US laws. You may say or think that none of those people were told to pray or asked to, but you dont know, you do not know the faiths of all those involved and neither do I. But if it is anything like what I have seen before, not all those involved wanted to do it, they did it because their coach did it, and they didnt want to "let" him down, nor did they want to be removed from playing.
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You also need to look where you found that information, that site seems to be a radical right wing group. If you look things like this up on other sites you will find that there are many people who have been hurt by things like this. You may not see it or even understand it. But it is out there.
Once again you are comparing expressing ones religios beliefs to radical (and dangerous) group like the KKK. There is no comparison here.
Groups like the KKK are harmful because of the words they preach and the things they do. As long as people are speaking peacefully about their religion there is no harm.
Though you claim that the harm comes from feeling different. Well what about that teacher? You want him to be tollerent of the people in his classroom and not express his own religion becuase it may differ from his students. But what about the students tollerence of their teacher's personal beliefs? Should they not allow him the freedom of religion as well?
You say that to be tollerent of religion we must remove it from the public altogether, whether it be Christianity, Buhhdism, etc. you want them all taken out of the public eye.
But what you are suggesting is the same thing that our founding father's were running from in the first place. They were not allowed to say what they wanted, or do what they wanted, because their personal beliefs offended someone. In their case it was the king. So they came to America under the basis of wanting religious freedom.
Only now we are taking those freedoms away and claiming it is so that we remain tollerent. You've gone back around to the beginning, and undone everything they fought for to start with.
One, a teacher was told to keep his own personal Bible (from which he never taught from, merely had in public view) out of site. The teachers wwere permitted to keep personal effects on their desks. The Bible was simply that, a personal effect, much like a photograph or appointment book. But he was told he couldn't keep it where the students could see it.
The teacher is someone that students look up to, if you were black and a teacher had a book about the KKK and white power on his/her desk you would feel threatened and harmed by it.
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The same man was told to remove the 10 commandments from a collage he had created and placed on his classroom wall. (Why have him remove the commandments? Why not ask him to also include Jewish prayers and Buhhdist teachings as well, in order to make the collage universal?) He did not require that the students learn the commandments, or even read them. He simply had them in place so that they may be seen. How can that be viewed as 'forcing' his religion on someone else?
Because to have religious items in a public school shows preference over one faith to another, or over NONE at all. You can not just have them all, because there are too many, and for those who do not believe you can't have any at all. It does hurt those who do not believe in those words in a religious was to have to see them. It makes them feel as if they might be seen as different, taught differenty because those are not their words of their faith.
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And another man was sued by the Civil Liberties Union for praying with his football team. Were the boys required to listen to the prayers? I doubt it. He was merely praying amongst a group of people, but was silenced for it.
The fact that it was with a football team, which was probably a PUBLIC school team is that in him saying a prayer or asking for a moment of silence you are stating one faith over another. Unless he said a prayer for every faith out there, and then did none for those who do not believe it is not correct under the US laws. You may say or think that none of those people were told to pray or asked to, but you dont know, you do not know the faiths of all those involved and neither do I. But if it is anything like what I have seen before, not all those involved wanted to do it, they did it because their coach did it, and they didnt want to "let" him down, nor did they want to be removed from playing.
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You also need to look where you found that information, that site seems to be a radical right wing group. If you look things like this up on other sites you will find that there are many people who have been hurt by things like this. You may not see it or even understand it. But it is out there.
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Groups like the KKK are harmful because of the words they preach and the things they do. As long as people are speaking peacefully about their religion there is no harm.
Though you claim that the harm comes from feeling different. Well what about that teacher? You want him to be tollerent of the people in his classroom and not express his own religion becuase it may differ from his students. But what about the students tollerence of their teacher's personal beliefs? Should they not allow him the freedom of religion as well?
You say that to be tollerent of religion we must remove it from the public altogether, whether it be Christianity, Buhhdism, etc. you want them all taken out of the public eye.
But what you are suggesting is the same thing that our founding father's were running from in the first place. They were not allowed to say what they wanted, or do what they wanted, because their personal beliefs offended someone. In their case it was the king. So they came to America under the basis of wanting religious freedom.
Only now we are taking those freedoms away and claiming it is so that we remain tollerent. You've gone back around to the beginning, and undone everything they fought for to start with.
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