Ahahaha, YAY :D I'm doing entirely too much high-pitched squeaking over the Goodies, it's nice to have company :D Current primary source of squeaking: every time they appear on a popular music programme and have entirely too much fun, much to the bemusement of the presenters, the other performers, and often the audience. This appearance springs to mind. Graeme going 'grrrr'! Tim overacting shamelessly! Bill forgetting his cue at 2:20 and having to go off into a corner to be private for a moment so he doesn't corpse too badly! Graeme grinning like a loon in the following long-shot! Oh, *boys*.
I'm currently fighting the RPS and firmly reminding myself that their Goodies-verse characters are entirely different from their Real Personae. And trying not to let myself be swayed by DVD commentaries where Graeme complements Tim on his frocks, or ISIHAC episodes with exchanges like: GRAEME: Good news! They've invented a new male contraceptive pill. TIM: Bad news - eight months gone and *now* he tells me!
Or perhaps: WILLIE: Good news - the Romans are back in Britain. GRAEME: Bad news - I'm a druid. TIM: *winsomely* Good news - I'm a druid too. BARRY: Bad news - I'm Mary Whitehouse.
I'm not ruling out Goodies-verse fic, but am currently wondering how on earth it could actually be written. Forty-foot long Dougals lose a certain something in typeface only. And *angst*? How on earth could one write Goodies angst?!
A-heeeeee! OK, yeah, you're definitely propagating the high-pitched squeaking :)
I need to get hold of my Dad's Goodies DVDs now and see if there's a cast commentary because hold the phone that would be so awesome.
See, I immediately think "RPS" because I find it difficult to differentiate the Goodies personae from just about any other personae the boys have on their other programmes/in other appearances. Oh, the flirting and hilarity!
(I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue) TIM (about a teletubbies episode): I was gripped! GRAEME: And me not here.
And *angst*? How on earth could one write Goodies angst?! I seem to recall some sad little moments where Graeme gets megalomaniacal and Tim gets hurt. But it's all resolved ridiculously in the end and they make up? My knowledge is not nearly as keen as yours, but then, I wouldn't be looking for angst, I'd be all about the opportunities for inappropriateness regarding dresses, sock suspenders and Graeme invading Tim's personal space.
On the (2007) commentary to 'Holiday', Tim used the 'I leica nice cup of tea in the morning' gag from 'The Colditz Story' with *exactly the same delivery as John used in the episode*. Joy ^___^ OK, it's a problem that I know EXACTLY the line you mean, and the delivery and everything, but can't remember what the actual joke was...
I need to get hold of my Dad's Goodies DVDs now and see if there's a cast commentary because hold the phone that would be so awesome.
The cast commentaries vary quite a lot - some are pretty awesome, some are pretty painful, and it's largely dependent on whether Bill Oddie's on an up or a down swing at that point :S I seem to recall that the one for 'The Movies' was brill, the one for 'The End' was awful, which saddens me, because I love 'The End' far too much. (Mostly for the utterly gratuitous amount of snuggling. "You don't mind me calling you Graeme, do you? Because you're the only friend I've got in the whole world..." *snuggles*
See, I immediately think "RPS" because I find it difficult to differentiate the Goodies personae from just about any other personae the boys have on their other programmes/in other appearances.
*grins* You raise a fair and interesting point. I guess I try to insert quite a large crowbar between the Goodies personae and the boys themselves because I have a tendency to be rather Tim-centric, and Tim Brooke-Taylor is always faintly embarrassed at the notion that people might think he's like his Goodies character - Union Jack-waving, Margaret Thatcher-voting, feminist-baiting Righty etc etc. And, of course, the 'sit-' aspect of the Goodies sitcom setup means that the Goodies are fictional, for all that they have the names (and some of the traits) of the actors. But I guess it's also true that their characters in the Goodies are to a degree amplifications / caricatures of their real characters, and that they play up their Goodies traits to a certain degree in the more 'real-world' ISIHAC, and even in interviews together. So from that perspective it's hard to differentiate between Goodies-slash and RPS. I think essentially for me it'd be regular slash if I wrote Graeme/Tim in a Goodies in-universe situation, and RPS if I wrote Graeme/Tim, say, related to what goes on backstage at ISIHAC recordings. Even if the interactions was markedly similar in both fics. *ponders*
Wow, that rambled a lot :D Sorry.
I do agree about not really looking for angst :D Even when the boys put one another through frightful emotional wringers in the show ('Earthanasia' springs to mind, not to mention every time two of them gang up to throw out the other one...), The Goodies Are Never Emo ^_^ I just wondered if it could even be *possible*. But cross-dressing and sock suspenders are *entirely* more fun. I just wish I was better at writing humour, I have a strong feeling that I just wouldn't do Goodies-fic justice :( Damn fandoms where the original source material is written by *really funny people*.
The Goodies Are Never Emo That needs to be an icon. (Decrees the girl who couldn't make an icon to save herself.)
Those are some thinky thoughts you've got about the Goodies. I think you should definitely give fic a shot, and just see how it goes. Go on, how much could it hurt? (You know that little devil on your shoulder? Yeah, that would be me :)
I'm currently fighting the RPS and firmly reminding myself that their Goodies-verse characters are entirely different from their Real Personae. And trying not to let myself be swayed by DVD commentaries where Graeme complements Tim on his frocks, or ISIHAC episodes with exchanges like:
GRAEME: Good news! They've invented a new male contraceptive pill.
TIM: Bad news - eight months gone and *now* he tells me!
Or perhaps:
WILLIE: Good news - the Romans are back in Britain.
GRAEME: Bad news - I'm a druid.
TIM: *winsomely* Good news - I'm a druid too.
BARRY: Bad news - I'm Mary Whitehouse.
I'm not ruling out Goodies-verse fic, but am currently wondering how on earth it could actually be written. Forty-foot long Dougals lose a certain something in typeface only. And *angst*? How on earth could one write Goodies angst?!
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I need to get hold of my Dad's Goodies DVDs now and see if there's a cast commentary because hold the phone that would be so awesome.
See, I immediately think "RPS" because I find it difficult to differentiate the Goodies personae from just about any other personae the boys have on their other programmes/in other appearances. Oh, the flirting and hilarity!
(I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue)
TIM (about a teletubbies episode): I was gripped!
GRAEME: And me not here.
And *angst*? How on earth could one write Goodies angst?!
I seem to recall some sad little moments where Graeme gets megalomaniacal and Tim gets hurt. But it's all resolved ridiculously in the end and they make up? My knowledge is not nearly as keen as yours, but then, I wouldn't be looking for angst, I'd be all about the opportunities for inappropriateness regarding dresses, sock suspenders and Graeme invading Tim's personal space.
On the (2007) commentary to 'Holiday', Tim used the 'I leica nice cup of tea in the morning' gag from 'The Colditz Story' with *exactly the same delivery as John used in the episode*. Joy ^___^
OK, it's a problem that I know EXACTLY the line you mean, and the delivery and everything, but can't remember what the actual joke was...
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The cast commentaries vary quite a lot - some are pretty awesome, some are pretty painful, and it's largely dependent on whether Bill Oddie's on an up or a down swing at that point :S I seem to recall that the one for 'The Movies' was brill, the one for 'The End' was awful, which saddens me, because I love 'The End' far too much. (Mostly for the utterly gratuitous amount of snuggling. "You don't mind me calling you Graeme, do you? Because you're the only friend I've got in the whole world..." *snuggles*
See, I immediately think "RPS" because I find it difficult to differentiate the Goodies personae from just about any other personae the boys have on their other programmes/in other appearances.
*grins* You raise a fair and interesting point. I guess I try to insert quite a large crowbar between the Goodies personae and the boys themselves because I have a tendency to be rather Tim-centric, and Tim Brooke-Taylor is always faintly embarrassed at the notion that people might think he's like his Goodies character - Union Jack-waving, Margaret Thatcher-voting, feminist-baiting Righty etc etc. And, of course, the 'sit-' aspect of the Goodies sitcom setup means that the Goodies are fictional, for all that they have the names (and some of the traits) of the actors. But I guess it's also true that their characters in the Goodies are to a degree amplifications / caricatures of their real characters, and that they play up their Goodies traits to a certain degree in the more 'real-world' ISIHAC, and even in interviews together. So from that perspective it's hard to differentiate between Goodies-slash and RPS. I think essentially for me it'd be regular slash if I wrote Graeme/Tim in a Goodies in-universe situation, and RPS if I wrote Graeme/Tim, say, related to what goes on backstage at ISIHAC recordings. Even if the interactions was markedly similar in both fics. *ponders*
Wow, that rambled a lot :D Sorry.
I do agree about not really looking for angst :D Even when the boys put one another through frightful emotional wringers in the show ('Earthanasia' springs to mind, not to mention every time two of them gang up to throw out the other one...), The Goodies Are Never Emo ^_^ I just wondered if it could even be *possible*. But cross-dressing and sock suspenders are *entirely* more fun. I just wish I was better at writing humour, I have a strong feeling that I just wouldn't do Goodies-fic justice :( Damn fandoms where the original source material is written by *really funny people*.
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That needs to be an icon. (Decrees the girl who couldn't make an icon to save herself.)
Those are some thinky thoughts you've got about the Goodies. I think you should definitely give fic a shot, and just see how it goes. Go on, how much could it hurt? (You know that little devil on your shoulder? Yeah, that would be me :)
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