yes - thank you! I hate when they call this a love triangle! and your anology for mark is perfect!!!
while I love SaRa the fact is - stories that get people excited are good for ratings - but ones that piss them off to the point of no return like CAM has - are just plain bad for ratings - and where commercial art is concerned - thats NOT a good thing.
see not everyone is pissed off with the storyline. I am one of the ppl who loves it. And I am also a big C/A supporter. I know alot of the fans on this board are not big fans of it BUT there are also some of us on here who are enjoying it as well. ;)
thats true - as SaRa said - some like this story and some hate it. When you divide your audience you risk losing some - when you push your audience into two polar extremes, you risk losing a lot more.
Shonda needs to find a way to reach some kind of middle ground with this SL or her ratings will continue to tumble as the unhappy camp lose patience and fall away.
true, but you also have to look at it that no matter what you do you will never please everyone. I fall into the group of viewers that don't just watch the show for one couple/character/storyline. I am a fan of the show as a whole and sure have not been the biggest fan of some SL's on there but when i wasnt thrilled about something there was always something to make me laugh or hold my interest. I have always said that if someone is just watching to see one character or couple and then threatens to stop watching if it dont go the way they want prob was never a fan of the show in the first place (thats how i feel). I love all the different POV's and disscussions concering the show and what ppl like/ hate about it..but i am not a fan of when ppl get whiny and say they are gonna stop watching..i dunno that just bugs me...i just want to scream whay re you watching anyways!! ha ha ha ;)
AMEN!!! If you're unhappy with the show/SL, then instead of bitching & whining about it at every opportunity, then just stop watching it....problem solved. Let everyone else enjoy the happy! :)
Sad but true, acceptance of this story line is mostly divided based on sexuality. When you go to lesbian sites (and I'm not just talking about AE), lesbians and bisexual women overwhelmingly have very strong negative feelings about the C/M/A story line. Although there are many straight women and men who feel the same, there is a disparity. The reality is that the majority of people who watch the show and the majority of the C/A fans are straight. I often find that what many lesbian women "pick up on", straight women often don't see at all, don't find it terribly problematic, or dismiss it entirely.
There also seems to be an age difference. I saw a poll once on a lesbian site a few months back and the difference was significant. In general, lesbians over 30 seem to be "less forgiving" than those under 30 of a story line that is often stereotypical in nature or reinforces heteronormative values. I think that difference has a lot to do with life experience.
yes, exactly! both Whedon and Rhimes added a lesbian pairing to their aging shows (when their ratings had started to drop) and that gave them each a ratings boost and lots of media splash from the addition. In kind, both he and Rhimes suffered ratings losses from dismissing the pairing via classic cliches (dead/crazy or Man in the middle). Greys feb sweeps eps each hit new series lows as the ratings declined through the 4 week stretch.
They invited an underserved audience into their clubhouse and then pulled the rug out/dis-respected them. As you predicted elmo, its CAM plus kid going forward which is no doubt going to push that slice of fandom at the neg extreme out, and that helps no one.
Honestly, it sounds like you are saying that the anti-storyline/lesbian perspective is the right one and that those who like the storyline only like it because they are missing seeing things. And that is kind of offensive.
And what about the bisexual perspective? I think it would be interesting to see how bisexuals feel about the storyline since Callie is bisexual.
I'm bi and I hated it ;) I've come to terms with it after last episode after Mark/Arizona stopped fighting, but I don't relate to Mark/Callie's relationship at all.
I think it might relate to which character's perspective is most easily relatable to an individual. Callie isn't getting everything in this storyline at all, and it's been hard for her, but she's getting a child which she's wanted her entire life and she's not as unhappy having Mark permanently in their lives. Whereas Arizona was still coming to terms with having kids and definitely coming to terms with the Mark thing. I'm not saying it's a Team Callie/Team Arizona divide at all (cause we're ALL Team Calzona here!!) but I wonder if that has something to do with it.
Tweet, ITA. I have loved Callie since the beginning and having seen Spamalot was thrilled that SaRa was added to this cast. Being bisexual, people assume that in this scenario I would automatically identify more with Callie but I don't. The way she was written this season did nothing to add to her character, it diminished her
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"With that said, your comments-- particularly about the understanding that "bisexual women are in lesbian relationships when they're with other women" when thinking about the depiction of Callie and Arizona's relationship, is one of the most important pieces lost in translation, I'm afraid."
It is one of the most important pieces of this story, and if so many people who support this couple don't understand it, imagine the lack of understanding for those who don't support them, or have no interest in trying to understand who they are. But it's what happens when you make a person's sexuality all about who they have sex with and that's what Grey's has been doing and I think it is confusing people and not lending to the understanding of lesbian women or bisexual women.
I'm bisexual and I hated it also. It perpetuated the bisexual stereotype that we are promiscuous, can't choose, are greedy etc. They once again made Callie's bisexuality all about sex. Every time I read or heard someone say that Callie slept with Mark BECAUSE she's bisexual rather than a woman who uses casual sex for comfort, I wanted to scream at the writers and go, "you see what you've done!"
I didn't mean that I think all bisexuals like it. I just thought the comment I was replying to made it sound like they thought that only the perspective of lesbians was accurate here.
I guess I'm just frustrated. This is a storyline that is drawing intense views, both positive and negative. But a lot of the time, a lot of negative comments make it sound like their view is objective rather than opinion and that the views of those who like the storyline are not equally valid.
(And I say that as someone who mostly likes Mark.)
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while I love SaRa the fact is - stories that get people excited are good for ratings - but ones that piss them off to the point of no return like CAM has - are just plain bad for ratings - and where commercial art is concerned - thats NOT a good thing.
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Shonda needs to find a way to reach some kind of middle ground with this SL or her ratings will continue to tumble as the unhappy camp lose patience and fall away.
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ha ha ha ;)
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There also seems to be an age difference. I saw a poll once on a lesbian site a few months back and the difference was significant. In general, lesbians over 30 seem to be "less forgiving" than those under 30 of a story line that is often stereotypical in nature or reinforces heteronormative values. I think that difference has a lot to do with life experience.
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They invited an underserved audience into their clubhouse and then pulled the rug out/dis-respected them. As you predicted elmo, its CAM plus kid going forward which is no doubt going to push that slice of fandom at the neg extreme out, and that helps no one.
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And what about the bisexual perspective? I think it would be interesting to see how bisexuals feel about the storyline since Callie is bisexual.
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I think it might relate to which character's perspective is most easily relatable to an individual. Callie isn't getting everything in this storyline at all, and it's been hard for her, but she's getting a child which she's wanted her entire life and she's not as unhappy having Mark permanently in their lives. Whereas Arizona was still coming to terms with having kids and definitely coming to terms with the Mark thing. I'm not saying it's a Team Callie/Team Arizona divide at all (cause we're ALL Team Calzona here!!) but I wonder if that has something to do with it.
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It is one of the most important pieces of this story, and if so many people who support this couple don't understand it, imagine the lack of understanding for those who don't support them, or have no interest in trying to understand who they are. But it's what happens when you make a person's sexuality all about who they have sex with and that's what Grey's has been doing and I think it is confusing people and not lending to the understanding of lesbian women or bisexual women.
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I guess I'm just frustrated. This is a storyline that is drawing intense views, both positive and negative. But a lot of the time, a lot of negative comments make it sound like their view is objective rather than opinion and that the views of those who like the storyline are not equally valid.
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