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kudos4u March 29 2005, 06:20:16 UTC

I dont' think expressing yourself sexually lands you anywhere besides and STD clinic so whats the point? How many people who express themselves sexually are successful and respectful at the same time? I don't think men and women are equal nor should they be, that isn't to say women shouldn't get paid the same or whatever but i'm thinking of it in a family sense. Example: If you have kids someone should stay home with them instead of throwing them in daycare. Why pay other people to raise your kids? I'm aware of single parents and whatever but i'm talking about two-parent homes.
This doesn't have anything to do with porn but i think porn is ridiculous and if pornography is how women plan to obtain an equal place in the world then maybe they should look another direction because that isn't going to do it.

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redmouse March 29 2005, 13:01:10 UTC
Just asking, before angry wolves rip your testes off...

In what way do you see women as not equal?

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redmouse March 29 2005, 17:03:46 UTC
(Clarifying because I was in a hurry. And because I want to ( ... )

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kudos4u March 29 2005, 17:26:33 UTC
Is a woman staying home with her children an unequal role? I don't think so. I dont think feminists believe that either they just get pissy if the woman is forced into that role instead of choosing to do it. However we know that becaues of double standards men typically make more money so wouldn't that be kind of backwards to send the man home and put the woman in the workforce? Plus like i replied to ami i think children bond more closely to their mothers in the beginning. Perhaps the bigger issue should be the children and not people quibbling over whether or not their right to express themself is being stepped on ( ... )

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cakewalkcutie March 29 2005, 22:16:29 UTC
However we know that becaues of double standards men typically make more money so wouldn't that be kind of backwards to send the man home and put the woman in the workforce?

I think it's hardly impossible that a woman in a professional field could marry a male teacher, for example. That point is null.

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cakewalkcutie March 29 2005, 22:14:55 UTC
I in no way disagree, I'm just gonna throw out the mess of thoughts in my head, as I've done with other threads on this post ( ... )

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cakewalkcutie March 29 2005, 22:25:39 UTC
^^^To expand on my point #1, By that I mean that women are subordinated, because they can't really get a good income when they are at home with children, so they may be stuck with a man who may go further than just being absent from home, and actually be abusive or controlling. It's a way that raising children, which good in itself, can have negative consequences in some situations with certain people (and it's not as rare as you'd think.) Women may put up with a Friday night punch session, so that her kids can have shelter, clothes, food, and health care.

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cakewalkcutie March 29 2005, 13:31:21 UTC
For one, I was never in Daycare. My parents made a rather easy choice, and my mother stayed home and raised her children. HOWEVER that is because my dad was 30 and already in a good, very well paying and stable job. My mom was 22, and not really employed. Had they been in opposite places in their lives, I think it would have been DEVASTATING for my mom to stay home, financially speaking. So I ask you...Yes, parents should raise their own children, but why MUST it be the mother? There is some misconception that it takes a WOMAN to raise children. No, my friends. Both parents present, but the man at home during the day is just as good. Just because the mom pushed the baby out, and carries the breasts...that does not make her more suited to raise a child. There is really nothing that "makes" women more nurturing by nature, and men not. It's a social construct which we think is true because it's so entrenched in our society (patriarchy). If a woman can better provide for the family, why shouldn't the man take leave from work while their ( ... )

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kudos4u March 29 2005, 17:12:22 UTC

I never said it had to be the mother, i just said someone should if at all possible. But i disagree, i think women are more nurturing than men in most cases, not that they're better, just different. Its a compliment to women i don't see why some get so defensive over that issue. Is staying home with your children really that much of a torture? The fact that the mother pushed the baby out has everything to do with it because mothers form closer bonds to their children in the beginning. When my neices and now my nephew were infants they responded to the voice of my sister long before her husband.

I addressed this issue instead because i thought it was more interesting than sexual repression because i believe in saving sex for marriage and if people would just do that we wouldn't have these double standards. I'm sure you disagree with this but those are my beliefs and i guess thats why sexual equality isn't important to me because it shouldn't be an issue.

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cakewalkcutie March 29 2005, 21:43:29 UTC
This will probably turn out as a hodgepodge of thoughts...but I'm just running with it: I'm very sad for men, in the regards of child rearing if what you believe is true. I will say again, that it is a social construct which makes us think women are more nurturing. There is no "nurturing" mechanism which can be biologically found. And from what I've read in my psychology classes, babies respond to higher pitched sounds, regardless of where they are coming from. I never wanted to imply that it was "torture" to stay home with children. I simply think that this decision should be made as per according to what it best for the individual family...and all too often let me say it again ALL TO OFTEN women think that raising a family is their ONLY choice. They aren't even offered the support and help that they need or want. And they don't even know that's the case. In my opinion there are many fathers who think that putting money in a bank account is good enough, and in these cases, the kids might as well have a single mother. I'm not saying ( ... )

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