My Trek relationship is remarkably like yours. I was in college during later seasons of TNG so I kinda lost the thread there, but still tuned in over summers and caught many of the seminal episodes. I liked DS9 but again, lost track during the year I didn't have a TV. I've seen episodes of Voyager and Enterprise, but evidently completely forgot that Tim Russ played a Vulcan (because I was scratching my head at black Vulcans - duh!). Oh - and I forgot to say that I've seen *most* of the movies. I may have missed some of the later ones. But ST3: Search for Spock is one of the first films I remember my mother and I going to see opening night because we HAD to know what happened after Wrath of Khan!
So I came into this very skeptical. I'd heard about the time travel and was all "Meh" about it. But they really did a good job of acknowledging while simultaneously building their own 'verse. And Hell Yes, Karl Urban you fabulous bastard. He NAILED McCoy - probably the best of all of them at capturing the spirit of his original actor.
(I was also amused that Ambassador Spock's ship was a Firefly model.)
But Spock/Uhura bugged the living shit out of me. Poor Nurse Chapel. Of course now we know why she didn't want to kiss Kirk in that episode with the Greek gods....
But Spock/Uhura bugged the living shit out of me. Poor Nurse Chapel. Of course now we know why she didn't want to kiss Kirk in that episode with the Greek gods....
Thing is, I doubt Spock/Uhura probably happened in the pre-Nero 'verse, at least not to that level of intimacy. They were friends, and shared musical interests, and it probably didn't go farther than that, because in the Prime 'verse, Spock identified more as Vulcan. He mostly succeeded at it because he didn't have this critical incident of his homeworld being collapsed into a singularity and watching his mother disappear from in front of him and both be gone forever. Uhura didn't watch that happen to him and make that advance. In Prime 'verse, their relationship likely never advanced beyond the abstract possibility, and Uhura probably didn't push it out of respect for Spock's culture.
This 'verse, the rules are different, both in character specifics and in world dynamics.
The little ripples had already spread out pretty far for her to be able to wrap him around like that....
Given the way they've used time travel in this case, it would not surprise me. Earth has Cardassian drinks, which unless the Federation had really stepped up its game, they shouldn't for over a hundred years. With the Romulans more active, the Federation is in a more volitile position regarding potential threats and fighting. 17-year-olds being on starships, no matter how good they are at math. Applying to Starfleet Academy being as simple as getting on a shuttle craft. These things weren't the case in Prime-verse, and indicate a greater need for military personnel than they had in that 'verse. Greater need for Military personnel means greater loss of military personnel. That level of risk is often enough to push people to form tighter interpersonal bonds than they would ordinarily risk.
Spock and Uhura's relationship pre-incident would have been while she was at the academy and she was a teacher. I didn't read 'sexual relationship' into that scene, I read 'teacher-favoured student', but I don't see implied sexual relations very well because that's not how I think. If they were more than student-teacher, I still do not think it had progressed very far into the physical stage, if at all. Saying it was sexual at that point also makes Uhura look like she got on board Enterprise due to sexual favours and weakens her legitimate argument that she's the best candidate and is an implication I do not like.
People can be close friends and not want to show favouritism, and students who are favoured by teachers can be subject to reverse-favouritism too. She argued logically, he accepted a logical argument. Personally, I don't think they were together as a couple at that point, or at least not physically. But that's my opinion, and yours is just as valid as mine :-)
Well, rewatch the original series - It's *way* from one-sided ;) But you have to look very carefully because it really ist not an obvious thing. Sadly I'm not able to point at the episoded right now, last time I watched is about 2 years in the past... :(
So I came into this very skeptical. I'd heard about the time travel and was all "Meh" about it. But they really did a good job of acknowledging while simultaneously building their own 'verse. And Hell Yes, Karl Urban you fabulous bastard. He NAILED McCoy - probably the best of all of them at capturing the spirit of his original actor.
(I was also amused that Ambassador Spock's ship was a Firefly model.)
But Spock/Uhura bugged the living shit out of me. Poor Nurse Chapel. Of course now we know why she didn't want to kiss Kirk in that episode with the Greek gods....
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Thing is, I doubt Spock/Uhura probably happened in the pre-Nero 'verse, at least not to that level of intimacy. They were friends, and shared musical interests, and it probably didn't go farther than that, because in the Prime 'verse, Spock identified more as Vulcan. He mostly succeeded at it because he didn't have this critical incident of his homeworld being collapsed into a singularity and watching his mother disappear from in front of him and both be gone forever. Uhura didn't watch that happen to him and make that advance. In Prime 'verse, their relationship likely never advanced beyond the abstract possibility, and Uhura probably didn't push it out of respect for Spock's culture.
This 'verse, the rules are different, both in character specifics and in world dynamics.
Also, Chapel/Spock was pretty one-sided. ;-)
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Go back to the scene where she tells him to reassign her to Enterprise. They're already doing it. He's way whipped and does what she says too quickly.
The little ripples had already spread out pretty far for her to be able to wrap him around like that....
'M just sayin'.
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Given the way they've used time travel in this case, it would not surprise me. Earth has Cardassian drinks, which unless the Federation had really stepped up its game, they shouldn't for over a hundred years. With the Romulans more active, the Federation is in a more volitile position regarding potential threats and fighting. 17-year-olds being on starships, no matter how good they are at math. Applying to Starfleet Academy being as simple as getting on a shuttle craft. These things weren't the case in Prime-verse, and indicate a greater need for military personnel than they had in that 'verse. Greater need for Military personnel means greater loss of military personnel. That level of risk is often enough to push people to form tighter interpersonal bonds than they would ordinarily risk.
Spock and Uhura's relationship pre-incident would have been while she was at the academy and she was a teacher. I didn't read 'sexual relationship' into that scene, I read 'teacher-favoured student', but I don't see implied sexual relations very well because that's not how I think. If they were more than student-teacher, I still do not think it had progressed very far into the physical stage, if at all. Saying it was sexual at that point also makes Uhura look like she got on board Enterprise due to sexual favours and weakens her legitimate argument that she's the best candidate and is an implication I do not like.
People can be close friends and not want to show favouritism, and students who are favoured by teachers can be subject to reverse-favouritism too. She argued logically, he accepted a logical argument. Personally, I don't think they were together as a couple at that point, or at least not physically. But that's my opinion, and yours is just as valid as mine :-)
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Well, rewatch the original series - It's *way* from one-sided ;) But you have to look very carefully because it really ist not an obvious thing. Sadly I'm not able to point at the episoded right now, last time I watched is about 2 years in the past... :(
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