Reaction: Supernatural 4.18 - with mild pondering
(Spoiler timeline contains spoilers for damn near everything outside of Supernatural Jensen Ackles has ever done.)
Spoiler and Theorizing Timeline
*crickets chirp*
...wow. Nothing. I think. There are some floating spoilers that may turn out to be for this ep, but right now, I don't even know the title.
Woo! \o/
Whups, spoke too soon, last minute spoilerish thing, bound to happen.
-Apr 2 There are giggle-worthy elements and it may contain a nod to something Jensen has done previously. Soooo....
They did Gym Teacher (Smallville) already. Genetically-engineered warrior-assassin (Dark Angel) might be a stretch for the show's established theme, but what the hell. A shout-out to Devour would fit right in, and I suspect Jensen's head might explode if that was the case. Could be a shout-out for MBV3D or Ten Inch Hero, so maybe pickaxe murdering psycho, or something involving a sandwich shop. Or both! Subway, eat flesh! Hm. Possible.
What else.... that soap opera, and Dawson's Creek, and that series that never aired. Both Dawson's Creek and the soap opera route lead to overwrought relationship drama, so probably not but who knows... and a shout out to the series that never aired would be incredibly obscure, but fans would get it because we're just that insane to have tracked down the series. Which leaves... Blonde. OMG the boys are hunting the ghost of Marilyn Munroe! Or a reasonable facsimile. Or not.
So, off we go, hunting a genetically-engineered pickaxe murderer who is possibly the son of the devil in a sandwich shop that's plagued with overwrought relationship drama and haunted by the ghost of someone's estranged artist brother and Marilyn Munroe. Guest starring the girls from Sweet Valley High. And Wishbone.
Bring. It. On.
Reaction , plus a little meta to Supernatural 4.18 - "The Monster at the End of this Book"
*blinks* BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *gasp* HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH *chokes* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA *wheezes* HAHAHAHAHAHA *falls over* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahaaaaaa... *passes out from oxygen deprivation* CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK! But it's mytharc too! Edlund is breaking my brain!
Oh, wow. This one has taken some processing time. The squee part of my brain has passed out and the thinky part of my brain is still looking at the ton of new info it has available to process and going "RIGHT NOW?!?"
I do not even know how to start reacting to this. There with be a lot of capslocking and shouting about random things.
I can see why the spoilers were rare for this one. They must have kept it wrapped up tight to surprise us. :-)
-Oh, cool! No 'Then' at all! Just some random guy on a couch having a flash back. No wait, it's in reverse does that make it a flash forward? Hey, Sam and Dean and I've never seen that bit before... Oh crap, he's a psychic. Did YED miss a kid?
-Yay comic store! DeYoung and Shaw. Who are they? [*googles* Styx!]
-LARPING!!! YEAH! \o/ *receives a brief glare from a very old inactive bunny* Oh hush.
-Supernat- Oh, crap. No way. No way. Are they seriously bringing the comic series published for the show into the show world? OMG, I think maybe the Comicommentaries are gonna get a little Kripke'd here. *boggles like whoa*
-"Underground cult following." Hee! Yep, that's fandom. *waves at Show* [I missed so much of this the first time around, I was laughing too hard. Actually, I started laughing as soon as the guy said LARPing and didn't quite ever stop.]
-Ohhh, novels. Not comics. Oh dear lord the cover art of Sam and Dean! BWAH!!! Are they romance novels??? There's a lot of flowing hair and rippling abs there. *snerk* by Carver Edlund. Seriously? Ooo! Hey! What's the first novel called? Because 'Pilot' would be weird. [No separate title, just "Supernatural". And abs. And hair.] Hugest print on a back cover ever. Are these the large print editions?
-Cover art montage! Hi Bobby! [...and the Scarecrow, the Wendigo, the killer racist truck, and, er, heh, that's not Bobby, that's a Bender, judging by the saw and things, oops. That'll teach me to assume things based on a hat. *facepalm* And back to the scary massive biceps, flowing hair and rippling abs. And I really really want that font, dammit!]
-(Damn. Just noticed. My JoyTV feed has swapped back to the manky old CW feed. No letterboxing, no tiny inobtrusive station bug, no spoiler-free ads every other station break, and flying green crap everywhere. ARG. Oh well, it's what all the CW viewers have had to put up with all along, so I'll deal. The guest star names are now taking up the whole bottom of the screen. Thankfully, I'm still giggling and didn't notice who was showing up.)
-Hm. 24 books to get from season 1 to season 3... [*pauses* Titles match the series up to Shadow, then skip to Salvation, then to Bloodlust, then Croatoan, then Heart, then Sin City, then Fresh Blood, then Mystery Spot, then Jus in Bello, then No Rest for the Wicked. The publisher must have passed on the rest, even though Chuck would have written them. *nods and handwaves*]
-Heeee! Forums!! Why have Sam and Dean not run across their fandom before. Sam pretty much lives online, doesn't he? And why has this in-series fandom not jumped aaaaaall over the Ghostfacers site? Or maybe they do, or think that the Ghostfacers are exceptionally batshit fans who think it's all real. [Ah. The Hell House and Ghostfacers stories were never published.]
-Whoa whoa whoa. Wait a minute. I recognize that shade of green! That's TWoP's Supernatural Forum colour!!! OMG! And there's a Simpatico that posts there!! And that sure as hell sounds like a TWoP post. Must watch this more closely later. [Superdeangirl8 used to be on the old WB forum waaaay back when, if I recall correctly. I bet she's on the CW forums now... wonder if queenfansam is someone on the Supernatural.tv forums... Hee! ]
-"What's a slash fan?" Heheheh. Hee. Oh dear. *chortles*
-Hey, it's her! Unless I'm mistaken she's the same person who played the girl in "Unusual Suspects" who Dean was caught over the dead body of. *bats at dangling participle*
-Ooo. Having all the misery in their lives fangirled over. Aw. Ow. Yet another reason characters should never encounter their fans. [I hope Refur gets in there and caps the hell out of this scene because it includes Sam making a 'sucking on a lemon' face to keep from laughing]
-Teleplay Juile Siege who I think wrote, um... Great Pumpkin, and Criss Angel, if I recall correctly? Story by her and Nancy Weiner, who I don't recognize. Maybe she's a pen name. Directed by Mike Rohl who I'll look up later very carefully [He has been a director or crew on just about everything ever shot in Vancouver.]
-Hee! The boys getting quizzed on their own lives! \o/
-"How often do you cry like that?"/Sam snorts. Hee! Also *swats Sam for being a bit of a jerk*
-"What's May 2nd?"/"That's my- uhhhhhhhhh... Sam's birthday." Niiiice cover Sam. Smooth.
-Salinger shout-out! :-)
-OMG GO AWAY FLYING CW GREEN CRAP! I DON'T CARE ABOUT 90210!! *misses Joy TV's feed fiercely*
-TATTOOS!!! Yay! \o/ She... she got one... on her butt? Hee! Well I suppose it's good to keep that free of demons too. Fandom is when you moon total strangers for purely fannish reasons.
-Chuck Shirley. Heh. Has a vaguely familiar sound to it... Has Kripke got a Mary Sue?
-"Traded soulful looks!" Heeeee! I'm prepared to swear I've read that in fic. Several times. Possibly even mine. Hm. Maybe a fic-writing seminar on how to describe facial expressions would be helpful, including a segment on detailed 'bitchfacing'. *ponders*
-"With determination, Dean pushed the doorbell with forceful determination." Dude needs a beta. *nods* Also, there needs to be an icon of Dean pushing the doorbell with forceful determination.
-"Get a life." Hee! Shades of William Shatner.
-MISERY!! \o/
-There's one thing I've heard in a few workshops and applied to Kripke before: "If your characters were to meet you and know that you had made their life the way it is, they should want to kill you." However, that doesn't quite apply to this guy because he's not creating Sam and Dean he's just picking up on their lives. Kripke would be toast.
-Convincing someone you aren't their fictional creation is a giant pain in the ass!
-He never used their last names? He wrote three seasons worth Supernatural into 24 books and never gave them last names? That would be annoying to read. Although it would explain a little why they haven't run across the books before.
-*laughs through the entire 'you're not hallucinations/I am a cruel, cruel, capricious god' bit, and totally, completely loses it over 'OMG I am so sorry about Bugs and Red Sky' bit* [*pauses a minute or twenty on rewatch to laugh* Also noting that 'Red Sky' wasn't one of the published ones, and he never gives the title, so I suspect he wrote it down and never even tried sending it to the publisher *nods*] Heee. Kripke. *pats* *wants to make 'cruel capricious god' icon of Kripke now*
-Hee. Author insertion will get you killed, Chuck. [...Eventually. Also, I'm liking Chuck even more on re-watch, so this does not bode well for his future lifespan.]
-DEAN READS VONNEGUT! DEAN READS SCI-FI! *flails hardcore* ["Slaughterhouse Five" version would be truly, truly f-ed up, random jumping around Sam and Dean's personal timelines and really make fate an inescapable thing. "Cat's Cradle"... Hm. I think I read that fic, with something happening to the world's water?]
-[...but Kilgore Trout wasn't Vonnegut, it was Theodore Sturgeon. So if Chuck was writing Kilgore Trout, the boys would be having this very tense and even more confusing conversation with Chuck's neighbour/friend/nemisis Phil.]
-(Running out of space in the squee book, on inside back cover now.)
-First canon laundromat ever! \o/ *gleeeeeee* Complete with huge sign warning people that the laundromat is not responsible for damages. Heeeeeee!
-Gigantic darks! Brooding and pensive shoulders! \o/
-Ooo, Chuck's having a plot-bunny attack! Oh crap, Sam and Lillith!? It's not Alastair, he's toast and his idea of a horizontal romp would probably involve a hell of a lot more pain than Sam's used to.
-HALLO THERE RANDOM COVER OF ORIGINS LURKING IN THE DARK! It's Issue number... Oh crap, it's number three. *thunder rumbles* Shush, you.
-Fiery demonic passion! BWAH!
-Oh, no. Nonono. You did not just predict the maiming of the Impala you capricious little weasel. I think I just heard malevolent73 scream. *remembers timezones* ...um. Several hours ago.
-"How deep's the river?" HA!!
-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!! KRIPKE'S HOLLOW DINER!!! \o/ It's on the menu! In a hard to pick out font because they know we're watching for that kind of stuff. *gleeee*
-Opposite day! No fighting! No research! No bacon cheeseburger! Hee! Let's see how well that goes, shall we?
-"It frustrates me when you say such reckless things." *Laughing so hard I missed what Sam said, and also possibly ruptured something* ["It frustrates me when you'd rather hide than fight." Ow, Sam.]
-Dean has a very good point about picking your battles and not being ready to fight. However, Sam is demon-blood-addled and figures he's ready. This will not go well.
-'Oops, wrong burger!' See Dean? If you'd just given in to the prediction in the first place, you could have eaten the whole burger instead of getting a bite and having it taken away. Hmm... I sense a very tiny... something.
-Hey! It's the Toreador Motel again! From Malleus Maleficarum! That's the same parking lot where RUBY STOLE THE IMPALA'S SPOTLIGHTS!!! Look around while you're there Dean, maybe she hid them in the shrubbery. [No, wait. It was the Conquistador Motel in Malleus not Toreador... But that's the same Motel...]
-Hex bag continuity, yay, though since they're from Ruby I still don't trust them.
-Heeee! Dean confiscates the laptop! Dude. That's almost cruel.
-"Behave, no homework, watch some porn." Heee! Why do I get the feeling that's a direct reversal of a common admonishment from John as he left for hunting during their teen years? 'Behave, do your homework, no watching porn.' *nods* I think so. Dean looked about that level of giggly about it.
-Heh. Toreador sign changes to read 'Red' Cute. Can't escape fate that easy. [But I know I've seen that Toreador sign before. I remember that plywood butt, damn it!]
-Fastest car thieves ever. That was what, ten seconds? At least wait 'til the car owner has left the area, guys.
-Eeek! Ow! *hides* Ow! Minivan accident. Ow. Ow ow ow.
-And Sam gets around the lack of laptop by going straight to the source to do research. Yep. It's a compulsion. You can't stop the geek.
-Holy crap, Chuck is pocket-sized. There's about the same difference in height between him and Sam as there was with Andy.
-Sam's conversation. Owww... That he's having that conversation with random psychic dude? OWWWWWW!
-'Naw. That's not true' Um. Sam? You know the guy has written what you are thinking before, you think he doesn't know what you've thought before and also that you are a notoriously lousy liar? Totally an addiction, only... hm. Wonder how this works... Needs more brain.
-[And I've just earwormed myself, sort of. "Might as well face it, you're addicted to blood." *hums*]
-Hahahaha! Stars! Bandaids! OMG, THOSE LITTLE SHITS HURT THE IMPALA!!! KILL THEM!!!!!
-Hey, is Chuck's house the same as Bobby's? *looks at room layout and fridge suspiciously* [Actually, the layout of the living room looks familiar to a couple different places seen previously. Cost-saving measure. One set, re-configure and re-decorate.]
-Ooo. Dean's mad. Bastards busted out his window, he needs to yell at someone and he's not fighting with Sam today.
-*blinks* Random Castiel! Wow! Hi?
-OMG CHUCK'S A PROPHET???? Oh wow. Okay, that's... wow. *is stunned through commercial break. Also laughing*
-Castiel admires Chuck's work. *snerk* Fangirled by an angel.
-"The Word of God?"/Chuck facepalms. Hee. With ya on that one, Chuck.
-Holy crap, the Winchester Gospel? *headdesks and laughs helplessly for a solid minute and misses the rest of the conversation* Oh my. [and I already posted the "in-show fandom is writing the Winchester Apocrypha" bit in a seperate entry. I rather like the thought, but I can see how some might find it offensive.]
-I really admire the complete lack of cracking up during this scene, primarily because I cannot stop laughing.
-I think the hotel decor... something's going on with the hotel decor. Like it's the same as last time they were at the Toreador? [I swear! They were there! Sometime! And that's the parking lot from Malleus! I'm not insane.] Or has a few things from different hotel rooms over the years, like that bug puffy headboard. That's awesome! Yay set design!
-Wow, okay, brain still a little broken by the 'prophet' thing, but okay. Prophets exist. They're all over lore of every culture, why the heck wouldn't they exist? *nods and handwaves*
-Silly, silly Sam. You burned them? Couldn't you have, I dunno, moved them somewhere so you'd have them if you need them again? Ah. I see. This is a sign of Sam's level of overconfidence. He figures he can take Lillith, so he figures they won't need them anymore. I repeat. Silly, silly Sam. *nods*
-"You think I'll go darkside?"/"Yes" Owwww. And ooo, Castiel told Dean about what Sam did to Alastair! Who's got a missing scene for that?
-Aw. Sam refuses to leave with Dean so Dean pointedly drops the bag and isn't leaving either, even though he's sure Lillith's going to kill Sam. Aw.
-[Heh. Writing on back of back cover of squee book now.]
-Dean's praying. Wow. Also probably weirding the crap out of other hotel patrons, since he's doing it out loud.
-Hi Castiel! Of course he can't interfere.
-"You have tested me and thrown me every which way, and I have never asked for anything." Ooo. Echoes of the 2.01 John rant. Ooo. That's... oooo. Interesting.
-Aw, Castiel. It's not that he doesn't want to help, Dean. *pats Castiel*
-"Dean. You must understand why." Archangels. Oooo... oh! Ohhh! CASTIEL! Being all sly and stuff (and looking very gleeful about it for him) and very very new at placing clue phone calls, but I do believe Dean (and me) has finally picked up, so yaaaaaaaay! Castiel's getting sneeeeeeeeeeaky! And I like it! More 'spirit of orders' than 'letter of orders', which will probably stand them in better stead and also get them in a whole pile of crap. He's going to be in such trouble with his immediate superior if he keeps that sort of thing up... of course I'm pretty sure his immediate superior is working the dark side, so getting in trouble with him isn't so bad. *rubs hands with glee*
-"Just so you understand why I can't help." Heeee! That expression! All "Yay I can help, and be sneaky and I'm going to look away in a casual manner now because I totally didn't help at all, or anything. Ooo, look clouds. Doo dee doo dee doo... (*glance back* You got it, right?)" *flappy hands* HEE!!
-Dean: *motivational speech with motivational music*/Chuck: "No frigging way."/Dean: Gun?/Chuck: Um, angel?/ Dean: "We'll have to see who's the quicker draw." *GLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE* So much love for that exchange, and so much love for Dean looking dangerous at the end.
-I like Lillith way better as a kid, but I'm very glad they're playing down her evil child side personality-wise on this possession, because this would be massively squicky otherwise. Also, yeow, Lillith has some extreme cleavage going on. Considering this was filmed in, what, January? That actress is lucky her scenes are all indoors. O.o
-Ooo. Sam's death hand just makes a breeze. So, she's stronger than Alastair, which makes sense considering he seems to have been her underling if she was giving him orders before. Either that or Sam's a quart low. *nods*
-....Wait... How does she know she doesn't survive this? *ponders* Ooo. Maybe her death opens the last Seal? Nah. Needs much much more brain.
-Your head on a stick. And Dean's. NO! No way, because she'll find a loophole. I mean yeah, sure, she backs off to the way things were, but one of her underlings could 'go rogue' or a bunch of individual demons could go around breaking seals for kicks, or anything. Plus, it's underway now, and the only one who can stop it is Dean, and if he's dead, Hell's gonna pop up from the deeps like a rotting whale carcass. Or something.
-*headdesk* Sam, you're an idiot. *hides from the fiery demonic passi-* Oh, wait, knife brawl. Okay!
-"I AM THE PROPHET CHUCK!" \o/ I said it before but it bears repeating. CHUCK! I think he's gonna be this season's or next season's approximation of Andy. Many fans will love him and he'll die horribly. He has a very wild-eyed, scruffy, prophetty look to him. He's certainly an asset to be guarded. Hee. Like that other Chuck, the one with the spy Intersect in his head. Heheh. "Prophecy: God's Intersect". ...aaaand I'm so going to hell. *facepalm*
-Oooo. That Archangel effect's gonna be a little tough to explain to the Motel owner and patrons, as is the either dead or unconscious [Unconscious, she's breathing] random girl who recognizes none of you, lying on the floor of your room.
-*tarp on back window of Impala flapping* SONOFABITCH. Grr.
-"You didn't think once about taking it?" Heh. There's so much subtle 'ow' in that conversation.
-'She's not gonna survive. I'll make sure of that.' Ooo. Yeah. That's real reassuring there, Sam. How about adding some maniacal laughter? It'd fight right in.
-Oooo... We're back at Chuck's place. Chuck is so very toast. Something's gonna get him here.
-Hi Zachariah! You're extra creepy, and probably evil, and possibly about to waste Chuck. Darn it! I was kind of liking the weedy little bastard.
-Ooo. Or not. Poor, poor Chuck. He's gonna recur I bet. And probably die. He's too tactically valuable a resource, which explains the big guns backing him, but he's still gotta die. Either this season or next. Aw.
-"We'd only bring you back to life." Yike. Now that's a determined plot-bunny. o.O
-Also, the monster at the end of the book is Chuck? Or Zachariah?
One thing about this episode that kind of strikes me as interesting, and I'd like to point it out, is that destiny is unavoidable, until it isn't.
Sam turns the demon-nookie into a knife brawl. Castiel makes a choice to pass information in a way that suggests a course of action that Dean can take to stop something that is prophesied and by the rules can't be stopped, and in that, is exerting some level of free will. Dean brings in Chuck and his invisible friend Mike (or Gabe) and gets Lillith to flee. Implications of prophesy averted.
Like demon deals, with prophecy (and by extrapolation, Fate,) there's loopholes through which free will can and does operate. Free will and fate/destiny are not mutually exclusive things. Needs more brain, but I just wanted to point that out. *nods*
Passed out at the keyboard at the end of typing last night, and did a quick proof before rushing to work (bleh), but will fix mistakes later and catch up with all of you later as well.
(PLEASE, NO SPOILERS OR REFERENCES TO SPOILERY MATERIAL IN COMMENTS! The definition of spoiler for this journal is located in left hand sidebar. Theory and speculation based on aired episodes only.)
Spoiler and Theorizing Timeline
*crickets chirp*
...wow. Nothing. I think. There are some floating spoilers that may turn out to be for this ep, but right now, I don't even know the title.
Woo! \o/
Whups, spoke too soon, last minute spoilerish thing, bound to happen.
-Apr 2 There are giggle-worthy elements and it may contain a nod to something Jensen has done previously. Soooo....
They did Gym Teacher (Smallville) already. Genetically-engineered warrior-assassin (Dark Angel) might be a stretch for the show's established theme, but what the hell. A shout-out to Devour would fit right in, and I suspect Jensen's head might explode if that was the case. Could be a shout-out for MBV3D or Ten Inch Hero, so maybe pickaxe murdering psycho, or something involving a sandwich shop. Or both! Subway, eat flesh! Hm. Possible.
What else.... that soap opera, and Dawson's Creek, and that series that never aired. Both Dawson's Creek and the soap opera route lead to overwrought relationship drama, so probably not but who knows... and a shout out to the series that never aired would be incredibly obscure, but fans would get it because we're just that insane to have tracked down the series. Which leaves... Blonde. OMG the boys are hunting the ghost of Marilyn Munroe! Or a reasonable facsimile. Or not.
So, off we go, hunting a genetically-engineered pickaxe murderer who is possibly the son of the devil in a sandwich shop that's plagued with overwrought relationship drama and haunted by the ghost of someone's estranged artist brother and Marilyn Munroe. Guest starring the girls from Sweet Valley High. And Wishbone.
Bring. It. On.
Reaction , plus a little meta to Supernatural 4.18 - "The Monster at the End of this Book"
*blinks* BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *gasp* HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH *chokes* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA *wheezes* HAHAHAHAHAHA *falls over* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahaaaaaa... *passes out from oxygen deprivation* CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK! But it's mytharc too! Edlund is breaking my brain!
Oh, wow. This one has taken some processing time. The squee part of my brain has passed out and the thinky part of my brain is still looking at the ton of new info it has available to process and going "RIGHT NOW?!?"
I do not even know how to start reacting to this. There with be a lot of capslocking and shouting about random things.
I can see why the spoilers were rare for this one. They must have kept it wrapped up tight to surprise us. :-)
-Oh, cool! No 'Then' at all! Just some random guy on a couch having a flash back. No wait, it's in reverse does that make it a flash forward? Hey, Sam and Dean and I've never seen that bit before... Oh crap, he's a psychic. Did YED miss a kid?
-Yay comic store! DeYoung and Shaw. Who are they? [*googles* Styx!]
-LARPING!!! YEAH! \o/ *receives a brief glare from a very old inactive bunny* Oh hush.
-Supernat- Oh, crap. No way. No way. Are they seriously bringing the comic series published for the show into the show world? OMG, I think maybe the Comicommentaries are gonna get a little Kripke'd here. *boggles like whoa*
-"Underground cult following." Hee! Yep, that's fandom. *waves at Show* [I missed so much of this the first time around, I was laughing too hard. Actually, I started laughing as soon as the guy said LARPing and didn't quite ever stop.]
-Ohhh, novels. Not comics. Oh dear lord the cover art of Sam and Dean! BWAH!!! Are they romance novels??? There's a lot of flowing hair and rippling abs there. *snerk* by Carver Edlund. Seriously? Ooo! Hey! What's the first novel called? Because 'Pilot' would be weird. [No separate title, just "Supernatural". And abs. And hair.] Hugest print on a back cover ever. Are these the large print editions?
-Cover art montage! Hi Bobby! [...and the Scarecrow, the Wendigo, the killer racist truck, and, er, heh, that's not Bobby, that's a Bender, judging by the saw and things, oops. That'll teach me to assume things based on a hat. *facepalm* And back to the scary massive biceps, flowing hair and rippling abs. And I really really want that font, dammit!]
-(Damn. Just noticed. My JoyTV feed has swapped back to the manky old CW feed. No letterboxing, no tiny inobtrusive station bug, no spoiler-free ads every other station break, and flying green crap everywhere. ARG. Oh well, it's what all the CW viewers have had to put up with all along, so I'll deal. The guest star names are now taking up the whole bottom of the screen. Thankfully, I'm still giggling and didn't notice who was showing up.)
-Hm. 24 books to get from season 1 to season 3... [*pauses* Titles match the series up to Shadow, then skip to Salvation, then to Bloodlust, then Croatoan, then Heart, then Sin City, then Fresh Blood, then Mystery Spot, then Jus in Bello, then No Rest for the Wicked. The publisher must have passed on the rest, even though Chuck would have written them. *nods and handwaves*]
-Heeee! Forums!! Why have Sam and Dean not run across their fandom before. Sam pretty much lives online, doesn't he? And why has this in-series fandom not jumped aaaaaall over the Ghostfacers site? Or maybe they do, or think that the Ghostfacers are exceptionally batshit fans who think it's all real. [Ah. The Hell House and Ghostfacers stories were never published.]
-Whoa whoa whoa. Wait a minute. I recognize that shade of green! That's TWoP's Supernatural Forum colour!!! OMG! And there's a Simpatico that posts there!! And that sure as hell sounds like a TWoP post. Must watch this more closely later. [Superdeangirl8 used to be on the old WB forum waaaay back when, if I recall correctly. I bet she's on the CW forums now... wonder if queenfansam is someone on the Supernatural.tv forums... Hee! ]
-"What's a slash fan?" Heheheh. Hee. Oh dear. *chortles*
-Hey, it's her! Unless I'm mistaken she's the same person who played the girl in "Unusual Suspects" who Dean was caught over the dead body of. *bats at dangling participle*
-Ooo. Having all the misery in their lives fangirled over. Aw. Ow. Yet another reason characters should never encounter their fans. [I hope Refur gets in there and caps the hell out of this scene because it includes Sam making a 'sucking on a lemon' face to keep from laughing]
-Teleplay Juile Siege who I think wrote, um... Great Pumpkin, and Criss Angel, if I recall correctly? Story by her and Nancy Weiner, who I don't recognize. Maybe she's a pen name. Directed by Mike Rohl who I'll look up later very carefully [He has been a director or crew on just about everything ever shot in Vancouver.]
-Hee! The boys getting quizzed on their own lives! \o/
-"How often do you cry like that?"/Sam snorts. Hee! Also *swats Sam for being a bit of a jerk*
-"What's May 2nd?"/"That's my- uhhhhhhhhh... Sam's birthday." Niiiice cover Sam. Smooth.
-Salinger shout-out! :-)
-OMG GO AWAY FLYING CW GREEN CRAP! I DON'T CARE ABOUT 90210!! *misses Joy TV's feed fiercely*
-TATTOOS!!! Yay! \o/ She... she got one... on her butt? Hee! Well I suppose it's good to keep that free of demons too. Fandom is when you moon total strangers for purely fannish reasons.
-Chuck Shirley. Heh. Has a vaguely familiar sound to it... Has Kripke got a Mary Sue?
-"Traded soulful looks!" Heeeee! I'm prepared to swear I've read that in fic. Several times. Possibly even mine. Hm. Maybe a fic-writing seminar on how to describe facial expressions would be helpful, including a segment on detailed 'bitchfacing'. *ponders*
-"With determination, Dean pushed the doorbell with forceful determination." Dude needs a beta. *nods* Also, there needs to be an icon of Dean pushing the doorbell with forceful determination.
-"Get a life." Hee! Shades of William Shatner.
-MISERY!! \o/
-There's one thing I've heard in a few workshops and applied to Kripke before: "If your characters were to meet you and know that you had made their life the way it is, they should want to kill you." However, that doesn't quite apply to this guy because he's not creating Sam and Dean he's just picking up on their lives. Kripke would be toast.
-Convincing someone you aren't their fictional creation is a giant pain in the ass!
-He never used their last names? He wrote three seasons worth Supernatural into 24 books and never gave them last names? That would be annoying to read. Although it would explain a little why they haven't run across the books before.
-*laughs through the entire 'you're not hallucinations/I am a cruel, cruel, capricious god' bit, and totally, completely loses it over 'OMG I am so sorry about Bugs and Red Sky' bit* [*pauses a minute or twenty on rewatch to laugh* Also noting that 'Red Sky' wasn't one of the published ones, and he never gives the title, so I suspect he wrote it down and never even tried sending it to the publisher *nods*] Heee. Kripke. *pats* *wants to make 'cruel capricious god' icon of Kripke now*
-Hee. Author insertion will get you killed, Chuck. [...Eventually. Also, I'm liking Chuck even more on re-watch, so this does not bode well for his future lifespan.]
-DEAN READS VONNEGUT! DEAN READS SCI-FI! *flails hardcore* ["Slaughterhouse Five" version would be truly, truly f-ed up, random jumping around Sam and Dean's personal timelines and really make fate an inescapable thing. "Cat's Cradle"... Hm. I think I read that fic, with something happening to the world's water?]
-[...but Kilgore Trout wasn't Vonnegut, it was Theodore Sturgeon. So if Chuck was writing Kilgore Trout, the boys would be having this very tense and even more confusing conversation with Chuck's neighbour/friend/nemisis Phil.]
-(Running out of space in the squee book, on inside back cover now.)
-First canon laundromat ever! \o/ *gleeeeeee* Complete with huge sign warning people that the laundromat is not responsible for damages. Heeeeeee!
-Gigantic darks! Brooding and pensive shoulders! \o/
-Ooo, Chuck's having a plot-bunny attack! Oh crap, Sam and Lillith!? It's not Alastair, he's toast and his idea of a horizontal romp would probably involve a hell of a lot more pain than Sam's used to.
-HALLO THERE RANDOM COVER OF ORIGINS LURKING IN THE DARK! It's Issue number... Oh crap, it's number three. *thunder rumbles* Shush, you.
-Fiery demonic passion! BWAH!
-Oh, no. Nonono. You did not just predict the maiming of the Impala you capricious little weasel. I think I just heard malevolent73 scream. *remembers timezones* ...um. Several hours ago.
-"How deep's the river?" HA!!
-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!! KRIPKE'S HOLLOW DINER!!! \o/ It's on the menu! In a hard to pick out font because they know we're watching for that kind of stuff. *gleeee*
-Opposite day! No fighting! No research! No bacon cheeseburger! Hee! Let's see how well that goes, shall we?
-"It frustrates me when you say such reckless things." *Laughing so hard I missed what Sam said, and also possibly ruptured something* ["It frustrates me when you'd rather hide than fight." Ow, Sam.]
-Dean has a very good point about picking your battles and not being ready to fight. However, Sam is demon-blood-addled and figures he's ready. This will not go well.
-'Oops, wrong burger!' See Dean? If you'd just given in to the prediction in the first place, you could have eaten the whole burger instead of getting a bite and having it taken away. Hmm... I sense a very tiny... something.
-Hey! It's the Toreador Motel again! From Malleus Maleficarum! That's the same parking lot where RUBY STOLE THE IMPALA'S SPOTLIGHTS!!! Look around while you're there Dean, maybe she hid them in the shrubbery. [No, wait. It was the Conquistador Motel in Malleus not Toreador... But that's the same Motel...]
-Hex bag continuity, yay, though since they're from Ruby I still don't trust them.
-Heeee! Dean confiscates the laptop! Dude. That's almost cruel.
-"Behave, no homework, watch some porn." Heee! Why do I get the feeling that's a direct reversal of a common admonishment from John as he left for hunting during their teen years? 'Behave, do your homework, no watching porn.' *nods* I think so. Dean looked about that level of giggly about it.
-Heh. Toreador sign changes to read 'Red' Cute. Can't escape fate that easy. [But I know I've seen that Toreador sign before. I remember that plywood butt, damn it!]
-Fastest car thieves ever. That was what, ten seconds? At least wait 'til the car owner has left the area, guys.
-Eeek! Ow! *hides* Ow! Minivan accident. Ow. Ow ow ow.
-And Sam gets around the lack of laptop by going straight to the source to do research. Yep. It's a compulsion. You can't stop the geek.
-Holy crap, Chuck is pocket-sized. There's about the same difference in height between him and Sam as there was with Andy.
-Sam's conversation. Owww... That he's having that conversation with random psychic dude? OWWWWWW!
-'Naw. That's not true' Um. Sam? You know the guy has written what you are thinking before, you think he doesn't know what you've thought before and also that you are a notoriously lousy liar? Totally an addiction, only... hm. Wonder how this works... Needs more brain.
-[And I've just earwormed myself, sort of. "Might as well face it, you're addicted to blood." *hums*]
-Hahahaha! Stars! Bandaids! OMG, THOSE LITTLE SHITS HURT THE IMPALA!!! KILL THEM!!!!!
-Hey, is Chuck's house the same as Bobby's? *looks at room layout and fridge suspiciously* [Actually, the layout of the living room looks familiar to a couple different places seen previously. Cost-saving measure. One set, re-configure and re-decorate.]
-Ooo. Dean's mad. Bastards busted out his window, he needs to yell at someone and he's not fighting with Sam today.
-*blinks* Random Castiel! Wow! Hi?
-OMG CHUCK'S A PROPHET???? Oh wow. Okay, that's... wow. *is stunned through commercial break. Also laughing*
-Castiel admires Chuck's work. *snerk* Fangirled by an angel.
-"The Word of God?"/Chuck facepalms. Hee. With ya on that one, Chuck.
-Holy crap, the Winchester Gospel? *headdesks and laughs helplessly for a solid minute and misses the rest of the conversation* Oh my. [and I already posted the "in-show fandom is writing the Winchester Apocrypha" bit in a seperate entry. I rather like the thought, but I can see how some might find it offensive.]
-I really admire the complete lack of cracking up during this scene, primarily because I cannot stop laughing.
-I think the hotel decor... something's going on with the hotel decor. Like it's the same as last time they were at the Toreador? [I swear! They were there! Sometime! And that's the parking lot from Malleus! I'm not insane.] Or has a few things from different hotel rooms over the years, like that bug puffy headboard. That's awesome! Yay set design!
-Wow, okay, brain still a little broken by the 'prophet' thing, but okay. Prophets exist. They're all over lore of every culture, why the heck wouldn't they exist? *nods and handwaves*
-Silly, silly Sam. You burned them? Couldn't you have, I dunno, moved them somewhere so you'd have them if you need them again? Ah. I see. This is a sign of Sam's level of overconfidence. He figures he can take Lillith, so he figures they won't need them anymore. I repeat. Silly, silly Sam. *nods*
-"You think I'll go darkside?"/"Yes" Owwww. And ooo, Castiel told Dean about what Sam did to Alastair! Who's got a missing scene for that?
-Aw. Sam refuses to leave with Dean so Dean pointedly drops the bag and isn't leaving either, even though he's sure Lillith's going to kill Sam. Aw.
-[Heh. Writing on back of back cover of squee book now.]
-Dean's praying. Wow. Also probably weirding the crap out of other hotel patrons, since he's doing it out loud.
-Hi Castiel! Of course he can't interfere.
-"You have tested me and thrown me every which way, and I have never asked for anything." Ooo. Echoes of the 2.01 John rant. Ooo. That's... oooo. Interesting.
-Aw, Castiel. It's not that he doesn't want to help, Dean. *pats Castiel*
-"Dean. You must understand why." Archangels. Oooo... oh! Ohhh! CASTIEL! Being all sly and stuff (and looking very gleeful about it for him) and very very new at placing clue phone calls, but I do believe Dean (and me) has finally picked up, so yaaaaaaaay! Castiel's getting sneeeeeeeeeeaky! And I like it! More 'spirit of orders' than 'letter of orders', which will probably stand them in better stead and also get them in a whole pile of crap. He's going to be in such trouble with his immediate superior if he keeps that sort of thing up... of course I'm pretty sure his immediate superior is working the dark side, so getting in trouble with him isn't so bad. *rubs hands with glee*
-"Just so you understand why I can't help." Heeee! That expression! All "Yay I can help, and be sneaky and I'm going to look away in a casual manner now because I totally didn't help at all, or anything. Ooo, look clouds. Doo dee doo dee doo... (*glance back* You got it, right?)" *flappy hands* HEE!!
-Dean: *motivational speech with motivational music*/Chuck: "No frigging way."/Dean: Gun?/Chuck: Um, angel?/ Dean: "We'll have to see who's the quicker draw." *GLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE* So much love for that exchange, and so much love for Dean looking dangerous at the end.
-I like Lillith way better as a kid, but I'm very glad they're playing down her evil child side personality-wise on this possession, because this would be massively squicky otherwise. Also, yeow, Lillith has some extreme cleavage going on. Considering this was filmed in, what, January? That actress is lucky her scenes are all indoors. O.o
-Ooo. Sam's death hand just makes a breeze. So, she's stronger than Alastair, which makes sense considering he seems to have been her underling if she was giving him orders before. Either that or Sam's a quart low. *nods*
-....Wait... How does she know she doesn't survive this? *ponders* Ooo. Maybe her death opens the last Seal? Nah. Needs much much more brain.
-Your head on a stick. And Dean's. NO! No way, because she'll find a loophole. I mean yeah, sure, she backs off to the way things were, but one of her underlings could 'go rogue' or a bunch of individual demons could go around breaking seals for kicks, or anything. Plus, it's underway now, and the only one who can stop it is Dean, and if he's dead, Hell's gonna pop up from the deeps like a rotting whale carcass. Or something.
-*headdesk* Sam, you're an idiot. *hides from the fiery demonic passi-* Oh, wait, knife brawl. Okay!
-"I AM THE PROPHET CHUCK!" \o/ I said it before but it bears repeating. CHUCK! I think he's gonna be this season's or next season's approximation of Andy. Many fans will love him and he'll die horribly. He has a very wild-eyed, scruffy, prophetty look to him. He's certainly an asset to be guarded. Hee. Like that other Chuck, the one with the spy Intersect in his head. Heheh. "Prophecy: God's Intersect". ...aaaand I'm so going to hell. *facepalm*
-Oooo. That Archangel effect's gonna be a little tough to explain to the Motel owner and patrons, as is the either dead or unconscious [Unconscious, she's breathing] random girl who recognizes none of you, lying on the floor of your room.
-*tarp on back window of Impala flapping* SONOFABITCH. Grr.
-"You didn't think once about taking it?" Heh. There's so much subtle 'ow' in that conversation.
-'She's not gonna survive. I'll make sure of that.' Ooo. Yeah. That's real reassuring there, Sam. How about adding some maniacal laughter? It'd fight right in.
-Oooo... We're back at Chuck's place. Chuck is so very toast. Something's gonna get him here.
-Hi Zachariah! You're extra creepy, and probably evil, and possibly about to waste Chuck. Darn it! I was kind of liking the weedy little bastard.
-Ooo. Or not. Poor, poor Chuck. He's gonna recur I bet. And probably die. He's too tactically valuable a resource, which explains the big guns backing him, but he's still gotta die. Either this season or next. Aw.
-"We'd only bring you back to life." Yike. Now that's a determined plot-bunny. o.O
-Also, the monster at the end of the book is Chuck? Or Zachariah?
One thing about this episode that kind of strikes me as interesting, and I'd like to point it out, is that destiny is unavoidable, until it isn't.
Sam turns the demon-nookie into a knife brawl. Castiel makes a choice to pass information in a way that suggests a course of action that Dean can take to stop something that is prophesied and by the rules can't be stopped, and in that, is exerting some level of free will. Dean brings in Chuck and his invisible friend Mike (or Gabe) and gets Lillith to flee. Implications of prophesy averted.
Like demon deals, with prophecy (and by extrapolation, Fate,) there's loopholes through which free will can and does operate. Free will and fate/destiny are not mutually exclusive things. Needs more brain, but I just wanted to point that out. *nods*
Passed out at the keyboard at the end of typing last night, and did a quick proof before rushing to work (bleh), but will fix mistakes later and catch up with all of you later as well.
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