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Well, several things came out of my last post...one of them being that there doesn't seem to be any quick-fix solution to the problem of abortion. I've no idea why I'm making an entry out of this, but oh well.
*We decided that making it illegal isn't going to do it...as sixth_light pointed out, that will not stop abortion, but will only lead to a higher rate ( Read more... )
*We decided that making it illegal isn't going to do it...as sixth_light pointed out, that will not stop abortion, but will only lead to a higher rate ( Read more... )
In any case, there is no way to solve the world's sins (at least for us). You push all the legislation, do all the sex-ed you want.. but it isn't going to change people's hearts and that is really what needs to be changed.
And as for the abortion debate - I believe that live begins at contraception. Just because someone calls the baby a zygote, pre-embryo or whatever doesn't make it have less or more than the number of human chromosomes. Besides, by the time a women realizes she is pregnant - the heart has already begun to beat. So with that said, I am also against chemical contraceptives (i.e. birth control) because they cause a child to abort (by preventing the child to attach to the lining of the uterus and sloughing it off, that is called abortion, although this is unlikely, it is still a possibility that I, personally would not like to take if I should get married). woo! That was a mouthful!
Anyway, the whole point is that people need a heart change before the sex-ed, legislation, etc, would ever work.
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And here I thought that contraception was, well, the opposite. Funny that.
So, a question: how do you feel about having a period once a month- the "sloughing off" on the uteral lining?
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Periods are natural. I know that many pregnancies go unnoticed because the body, for one reason or another, aborts the child. But that is natural. Not forced.
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(I'm hesitant to get into this kind of discussion here in a journal where it may not be welcomed but...)
I agree, periods and spontaneous abortions are natural. I just question you categorising an unwanted and potentially very damaging pregnancy and labour as unforced when it's required by law.
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Sorry again for being such a muppet when replying to your last comment. I just felt like I couldn't win- I was trying to bring to light all these alternatives to abortion, and still felt like I was being attacked. But yeah, I'm sensitive, as Maz doubtlessly can testify to. ;) And as I already said, the not being able to conceive bit is sensitive.
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The problem I think we're having is that from my point of view, although an unwanted pregnancy may not always kill the "mother," it is still damaging to her life. And, you know, props if you can get around that and love the baby and everything, I truly admire someone who is able to do that, to raise a child in that situation. But... I can't justify that kind of damage to someone's life, in whatever situation, especially when balanced against a procedure that from my point of view really isn't immoral, or a problem in any way. I think the abortion rate is telling in that it says a lot about how we handle contraception and conception in New Zealand, and in that sense, yes, it's a problem... but the abortions themselves, to me, are not a problem.
I really wasn't meaning to attack you; I was simply trying to present a different view, of the mother's right to life, which I think is what often gets neglected in this kind of debate... I mean you can argue for years and years about whether an abortion is murder or not and people just aren't going to change their opinions no matter how hard you try, because this debate has become intensely emotionalised, rather than rational. So the only way to bring rationality into it- from my point of view- is to consider it from another perspective from which we can be rational.
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http://web.mit.edu/Pro-Life/www/articles/vnv.html
The article sort of talks about how abortions are every bit as damaging as the unwanted pregnancy itself...but don't let it sway your views in any way, if it's not what you believe.
I think the abortion rate is telling in that it says a lot about how we handle contraception and conception in New Zealand, and in that sense, yes, it's a problem...
I think we discussed this on your journal at one time. I still believe that, even if the pill isn't 100% effective, it still decreases the risk.
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I still believe that, even if the pill isn't 100% effective, it still decreases the risk.
Absolutely!
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I doubt my opinion will change either. That said, I want to be willing to consider the gray areas that go with abortion, as opposed to just seeing it as a purely black and white issue. So, I do appreciate everything you guys have posted, even if it may not seem that way. A study though...maybe I'll do a Master's thesis on abortion in literature, that'd be cool! :D
As for icons...I'm looking for a Moulin Rouge one. I'm also hoping to make one that got an Irish dancer, and like an Irish phrase...I'll have to think of one though. There's a picture on this site from Riverdance, that I really love:
http://www.webheimat.at/magazin/Rubrik-Kultur-und-Veranstaltungen/Musical-Karten/Riverdance-Karten/Riverdance.jpg
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Heh, maybe. I dunno.
Okay, I'll have a think. :P Ewan or Nicole? Do I need to ask?
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By the way, how do you link sites on lj? Maz showed me once, but I can't remember!
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Replace all square brackets with arrow brackets (> and <)
[a href="http://www.yourlinkhere.com/"]Link Name[/a]
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And, if you want a job at Whitcoulls, then by all means hand your CV in, we are always accepting them! I've worked there nearly 3 months, and I find it's a cool place to work.
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