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sunnytyler001 November 15 2008, 10:03:18 UTC
God, I can't wait for Christmas!!!
(Maybe Morrissey is Alt!Ten?)

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butterfly November 15 2008, 10:28:01 UTC
It looks like so much fun! Though I'm sure that RTD will sneak in emotions and tension and whatnot.

(my current theory is the 'big faker' one)

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honorh November 15 2008, 11:02:04 UTC
I absolutely loved Morrissey's entrance. He was so incredibly charismatic and watchable in Blackpool--he owned the screen, and it's a credit to Sarah Polley and DT that they weren't totally overpowered by him--and we do know he and DT have terrific chemistry. I'm so looking forward to this special!

And, hello Rosita. I see what you did there!

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butterfly November 15 2008, 11:08:24 UTC
I absolutely loved Morrissey's entrance. He was so incredibly charismatic and watchable in Blackpool--he owned the screen, and it's a credit to Sarah Polley and DT that they weren't totally overpowered by him--and we do know he and DT have terrific chemistry. I'm so looking forward to this special!

Morrissey is such a fantastic actor! And, as you say, he and David worked together so well in Blackpool ("These Boots..." never fails to make me crack up laughing -- they are brilliant and intense and so freaking funny. *hearts*).

And, hello Rosita. I see what you did there!

I'm wondering if we might not get a bit of an examination of the Doctor/companion relationship (again, more of a light-hearted one, where the Master/Lucy relationship was like a dark mirror of Ten/Rose -- I should post about that sometime, because I loved the Rose-Master, Rose-Lucy, Master-Doctor parallels so much). Which I would totally adore.

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honorh November 15 2008, 12:53:32 UTC
Master/Lucy also had some strong tiebacks to Three/Jo. Stronger, in some ways, actually, as Jo's social class was closer to Lucy's. Also, the Master totally was wearing Three's cape when he met the American President. Not to mention Jo was, I believe, the first of the Doctor's companions to meet the Master.

For a New Who-only watcher, though, the Doctor/Rose parallels were undeniable. It's a little scary to think of what the Master might've done to Rose if she'd been there.

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butterfly November 15 2008, 12:58:05 UTC
Master/Lucy also had some strong tiebacks to Three/Jo. Stronger, in some ways, actually, as Jo's social class was closer to Lucy's. Also, the Master totally was wearing Three's cape when he met the American President. Not to mention Jo was, I believe, the first of the Doctor's companions to meet the Master.

Oh, yeah, definitely. The cape thing was... priceless (*hearts* this show and its extreme dorkiness). There are some... echoes of the Three/Jo relationship in Doctor/Rose, as well (though more so, I think, in Nine/Rose than Ten/Rose).

For a New Who-only watcher, though, the Doctor/Rose parallels were undeniable. It's a little scary to think of what the Master might've done to Rose if she'd been there.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure that the Year That Wasn't was the only time when the Doctor was thrilled that Rose was off in another universe. Especially since the Master even seemed a bit impressed with Rose's accomplishment. Not a good sign. Means that he might not have underestimated her the way he did Martha.

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blackcat_1 November 15 2008, 11:43:47 UTC
Rosita: "Where the hell have you been?" (ah... "Tooth and Claw" flashbacks. She gets annoyed at the 'Doctor' being later than she'd like.)

That was my immediate thought when I heard that line. Also, it's interesting that the companion's name sounds so siimilar to Rose's.

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butterfly November 15 2008, 12:01:09 UTC
Yeah. It definitely feels intentional. We'll have to see if it goes somewhere (it's Russell, so there's a good chance!).

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arabian November 15 2008, 16:26:49 UTC
He hearts Rose; about as much as we do. (I still love his clapping glee on the commentary when Rose takes back over her body in "New Earth" -- "Rose's back. Yay!" Hee.

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butterfly November 15 2008, 20:58:13 UTC
He really does. He's just as much a Rose-fan as any of us (and as much a Doctor/Rose 'shipper).

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sensiblecat November 15 2008, 13:15:34 UTC
The (real) Ten would so get off on finding he was being celebrated in a play, so that should be fun. The name Rosita makes me wonder if they're recreating some aspect of the Doctor's adventures with Rose, and if so how news of them got to 1851. I think it's too early for T&C but there could be a Time Agent involved.

And it would seriously rock if it turned out that their inspiration was Rose travelling, at some point, without the Doctor - or even with the Handy one!

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butterfly November 15 2008, 13:25:55 UTC
The (real) Ten would so get off on finding he was being celebrated in a play, so that should be fun. The name Rosita makes me wonder if they're recreating some aspect of the Doctor's adventures with Rose, and if so how news of them got to 1851. I think it's too early for T&C but there could be a Time Agent involved.

It definitely feels like some kind of recreation or possibly a con artist situation. MDoc is much too Ten-ish to be a future Doctor (plus, if he were, he would recognize himself!). Whatever it is, I'm exceedingly curious.

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lasultrix November 15 2008, 13:26:21 UTC
The Doctor: "Just the Doctor." (which is his favorite way of describing it. For all his arrogance in certain matters, he's so casual and non-pompous about himself. *hearts*)

Really? I've always considered it to be arrogance, exactly along the lines of :

MDoc: (straightens up and totally strikes a freaking pose, I kid you not) "I'm the Doctor. Simply 'the Doctor'. The one, the only, and the best.

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butterfly November 15 2008, 13:32:52 UTC
Interesting! Those lines actually struck me as very different in tone and substance and, in fact, felt like the essence of the difference between the real Doctor and the overdone 'Doctor' that Morrissey was playing.

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lasultrix November 15 2008, 13:44:03 UTC
Oh, I didn't see the CiN special. I just meant that I have always read "Just the Doctor" as arrogance. Obviously though the MDoc was an exaggerated parody.

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butterfly November 15 2008, 13:52:46 UTC
If you're interested in checking it out, I've linked to a youtube copy of the snippet in the post just previous to this one.

Though the Doctor is arrogant (and high-handed and self-righteous and... etc), those 'just the Doctor' moments don't feel terribly like that to me. Oh, there's a certain inherent... pretension in the assumption of the title at all, of course ("Is that supposed to sound impressive?" as Rose asks), but he doesn't seek to make himself an idol or anything. "The Doctor" is kinda a short-hand way of saying "someone who can help" (which he does say sometimes instead). And, generally, he can. It's not false advertising. Those moments, to me, feel more like self-assurance and confidence rather than arrogance (however, I am aware that that's very much a YMMV sort of situation).

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