True, but I supported you.
GUYS. I HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS ABOUT THOR. THAT WAS AWESOME. My favorite superhero movie since Batman Begins, by a LONG shot.
Disclaimer: I have not read any of the comics (aside from the occasional scan on scans_daily), and my knowledge of Norse mythology is extremely limited. So.
( spoilers and flailing )
Disclaimer: I have not read any of the comics (aside from the occasional scan on scans_daily), and my knowledge of Norse mythology is extremely limited. So.
( spoilers and flailing )
Yes yes yes, exactly!
to me, the real catalyst for change was elsewhere
YES, I 1000% agree. I said that in an unclear way, I just realized--I didn't mean that Jane actually ILLUSTRATED to him how to be a good person (because I don't think he really NEEDED that), just that she WAS kind to him when he had no one and nothing, and he genuinely appreciated it. But yeah, I completely agree that the real catalyst was his exile, and the way it made him aware of a kind of strength that has nothing to do with bashing shit with a huge hammer. Hee.
AND THOR THANKS HIM FOR TELLING HIM IN PERSON AND IS ALL SORRY AND OH MY HEART.
OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY. AND HIS SAD LITTLE FACE. IT WAS THE SADDEST FACE. (LOKI HOW COULD YOU SAY THOSE THINGS TO THAT SAD FACE.) AND HE WAS SO ACCEPTING OF WHAT HAD TO BE DONE TO MAKE PEACE, AND NOT ANGRY AT ALL, BUT ACTUALLY ACTIVELY LOVING AND UNDERSTANDING. OH THOR. Yes, THAT was where I fell in love with him, more than any other moment. *DREAMY SIGH*
how much do I like that Loki's jealousy and manoeuvres ended up doing Thor an immense favour? THIS MUCH, I like it.
YES, that was so lovely. Just beautifully done. This movie was so well-constructed, that was such a pleasant surprise!
I wanted Thor to learn the truth about Loki from his brother himself, and give Odin the side-eye a little
YES indeed. That was a definite loose end, and one I suspect they might address in future sequels, but it would have been nice if they'd addressed it here. As it is, I will hope for a LOT of good fic about it. :D (Though I suppose the one positive thing about the way it ended up is that, even thinking that Loki betrayed them for no reason, Thor STILL mourns him. He STILL loves him. AWWWWWW. MY HEART.)
mostly because comics characters can never evolve too much, and stories are recycled
SERIOUSLY. That is such a difficult thing to deal with! Because there is so much awesome, but there is also INEVITABLE suck and frustration and bitterness and--as you say--stagnation/recycling, and man. It's such a weird medium!
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No, no, YOU were perfectly clear. I was more addressing some general critics I've seen. A lot of people weren't sold on the epic love story that changed Thor, and I have to admit that they kind of have a point, since it's even presented that way a little in the film, when Loki basically goes: "What made you change this way? Oh, it's a WOMAN, RIGHT? Maybe I'll pay her a visit", which is a bit dumb and not what the film ACTUALLY SHOWED US. No, Loki, you're actually the one who started his change for the better, you devious trickster, you! Come on, you should enjoy it when things are unpredictable, right?
But like you, I liked Jane a lot. I liked that she had her friends, her own preoccupations, and that even when she was completely smitten by Thor, she was all: "My research! I worked on it for years", like a normal human being. But I saw it more like the beginning of something potentially great. Plus, while she's actively searching for Thor, it works even better because she's not dropping everything about her life to do so, she's doing it by continuing the research she's been doing for years, (with a much bigger budget! who could resist?) which I liked.
I completely fell in love with Thor at the same moment as you, but there were two other moments which were ridiculously charming: 1)when Jane, after telling him that she'll drive him, listens to Erik and tells Thor that she changed her mind. He's not even put out, and you see the good side of his usual, er, "kingliness" (is that a word?), the whole noblesse oblige thing where he's very courteous to them. And then goes to find a horse. 2)WHEN HE STEALS JANE'S NOTEBOOK BACK. He's completely traumatised, Loki just told him that he's responsible for his father's death and that he has to stay in exile, and he still remembers that he promised to get Jane's work back and he steals the notebook, which makes him a thousand times more adorable, something I thought was impossible.
Though I suppose the one positive thing about the way it ended up is that, even thinking that Loki betrayed them for no reason, Thor STILL mourns him. He STILL loves him. AWWWWWW. MY HEART.
You're right, that part was great. I want to see MORE SIBLINGS. (I second Ancarett's recs. mekosuchinae writes a wonderful Thor and Loki)
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Oh RIGHT. I'd actually forgotten about that! At the time it definitely struck me as more of a way for Loki to bring Jane into it (and therefore goad Thor into attacking him) than an actual true fact, but then Thor's reaction indicates that HE believes it, anyway, so. Yes. I can see where that would be an issue.
But I saw it more like the beginning of something potentially great. Plus, while she's actively searching for Thor, it works even better because she's not dropping everything about her life to do so, she's doing it by continuing the research she's been doing for years, (with a much bigger budget! who could resist?) which I liked.
YES. Agreed on all counts!
WHEN HE STEALS JANE'S NOTEBOOK BACK.
YES. OH MAN. THAT WAS SO GOOD. ♥_♥
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