For my own curiosity.

[brown_betty]

So, every time you mention W.I.R., some fanboy helpfully says, "Hey, way more men have died in comics than women!" Thank you, random, hypothetical fanboy, that is a good point. Hm, how could we compare needless W.I.R. type deaths?

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[some_stars]

*wordless squawking raaaaaaaaaage* note that only ONE of the ones in the women-losing-men column both (1.) involved another hero and (2.) were at least partly *about* the woman in question. AND IT HAS BEEN SINCE UNDONE. argh argh ARGH.

also, preemptively--i know YOU know this--kon doesn't count as a refrigerator death for cassie, because it wasn't about her at all. I KNOW SOMEONE WILL BRING THIS UP. I KNOW IT.

also, there is a horrible hilarious fanart somewhere of Kyle opening the microwave with a distressed angst-face saying, "Grandma?!?!?"

(also, I'd argue that metaphorically, the total savaging of Leslie's character would count since it served solely to affect Bruce, but I would not attempt this argument with people who don't even understand the concept of 'subtext' yet.)

[some_stars]

...ALSO ALSO ALSO ALSO ALSO. there, I think I got it out of my system now.

i need new words :(

[some_stars]

oh, another (totally minor) one for the women column--Anita's dad getting killed in YJ--am I remembering this right? I don't think it'd count as reversed since they came back as babies, in one of the more horrifyingly blatant instances of the terrible things that happen to the YJ girls when they dare to enter puberty--the character most threatening to the white-male-hegemony framework is not only taken off the playing field(like Cissie) or ultra-feminized, skinnied, and stripped of personality or development(Cassie) but sent home to take care of babies. I honestly don't understand how people MISS this stuff. (Well, no, I do, it's completely willful, but JESUS YOU GUYS, LOOK AT IT

[brown_betty]

I'm just counting romantic relationships. Given the lack of screen time given Anita's mom, her Dad barely has a romantic relationship.

But man, yes. Go home! Get pregnant! God I love Anita. Have you seen her in the 52 splash? MAYBE SHE WILL GET MORE PANELS AND NOT DIE!!!!!!!!

[some_stars]

oh, i meant counting her dad under the women's column, but yes, romance-only is valid.

I did not, as everything I hear about OYL/52 makes me want to vomit my intestines like a sea cucumber! but here is hoping!

[holli]

Didn't Anita catch Connor Hawke's mysterious skin condition, though? I saw a page somewhere that made me go "Anita! omg yay! ...wait a minute, that's some white chick."

[brown_betty]

Well, I think Anissa did. That, or some white chick has completely ripped off her costume.

[vange]

God I love Anita and her wacky odd-couple G-Men daddies. I just felt the need to share.

[some_stars]

oh also: in post-ZH legion(the one from 1994-2004) the impetus for Violet's snapping and turning temporary villainess is her crush Gim(a boy, since Legion names can be ambiguous *g*) getting killed, and he never comes back. It was actually a really good ending to his character arc, but it did happen to affect her.

[brown_betty]

Do I want to include Legion, though? That's huge and scary!

[some_stars]

I don't know! certainly pre-ZH legion is completely terrifying, but the post-zh is fairly manageable, and actually pretty gender-balanced, I mean--by comics standards. There's Imra losing Garth too, though he comes back eventually, and again it's a very coherent and lovely character arc for him.

[brown_betty]

I was reading a Ron Marz message board post yesterday and argh KILL KILL KILL because that man, “Look it wasn't offenCive, see, I'll do it repeatedly to prove it!” THIS IS INSANE TROLL LOGIC. I HOPE YOU DIE WHEN YOUR PENIS EXPLODES.

[some_stars]

WRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURGH KILL KILL KILL.