Secession! Long Live the Republic of Texas!

Nov 13, 2012 19:09


Yeah, right. Like Hell that will ever happen ( Read more... )

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uguardian November 14 2012, 02:58:16 UTC
One other detail: MEXICO.

Considering that Texas used to belong to them as recently as the 1830s, I can't imagine Mexico leaving the fledgeling nation alone for long. With next to no military, the nation of Texas would be ripe for plucking by just about any national power that wanted it. At best, it would be war on the southern border. At worst, a war on all sides. Either way, Texas would lose.

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brother_dour November 14 2012, 04:24:45 UTC
I don't think Mexico would be very interested, actually. There's just not much political or popular will to reclaim Texas- it's not like they've spent the last 165 years plotting feverishly to reclaim their lost territory or anything. Plus, they have plenty of their own problems to deal with. At worst I think they would be worried about political instability- no telling what this new country of gringos loco will do!

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theweaselking October 18 2013, 14:42:17 UTC
it's not like they've spent the last 165 years plotting feverishly to reclaim their lost territory or anything.

Yeah, but Americans from the Slave States *have* been doing that since the Slaver's Rebellion, so they assume everyone else would, too.

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karcy November 14 2012, 15:54:48 UTC
I thought Texas secession was a lot of macho talk but no seriousness. Are people serious?

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brother_dour November 14 2012, 16:41:04 UTC
The 58,000 signatures the petition has so far are dead serious. But those people are also alarmist far Right rednecks for the most part who really haven't thought things through... First, the petition is a non-binding resolution that basically only guarantees that the President will issue an official response. Second, Texas does not (as some believe) have the right to secede as part of its admission into the Union. It only has the right to divide up into as many as five smaller states if it wants, with no input from the Federal government needed (not sure why, I guess that was in case Texas proved to be too large to effectively govern back in 1846, which it pretty much was given that it took another 50 years to 'settle'). Third, well, I think the Federal government made its stance on secession pretty clear way back in 1860-65.

Edit: the secessioners like to argue that since the Constitution says nothing specifically about not seceding, they are allowed to. But the Federal government has a lot of policies it enforces that are not ( ... )

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wight1984 November 15 2012, 00:14:35 UTC
Quite a lot of these points seem to revolve around a central theme; 'we won't let you ( ... )

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brother_dour November 15 2012, 02:54:51 UTC
I do not believe the Federal government would let any state secede. It would set a dangerous precedent- dangerous enough that I think Washington would use force again if necessary. What I do question is, if the will of the general population would be behind such action. A lot of people in the Democrat-voting states seem to be against it- not because they wish the Union to remain inviolate but more because they're sick and tired of far Right GOP rhetoric. As a citizen of the UK you may not be aware of this, but the northern states which tend to support the Democrats tend to think of the Republican southern states as full of uneducated, crass, narrow-minded racists. The northerners would probably like to be rid of those states! And of course while the petition for Texas to secede (which by the way has absolutely no power or authority in of itself) has 100,000 signatures already, most Texans know this is foolish and silly and oppose it, as I do ( ... )

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wight1984 November 15 2012, 06:44:28 UTC
" As a citizen of the UK you may not be aware of this, but the northern states which tend to support the Democrats tend to think of the Republican southern states as full of uneducated, crass, narrow-minded racists. The northerners would probably like to be rid of those states! I'm aware of this and it adds to my surprise that Americans tend to hold secession as a fundamentally bad thing ( ... )

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brother_dour November 15 2012, 17:57:17 UTC
I apologize if I sounded at all condescending. I just don't know how much y'all know about the U.S. beyond the media- or even through the media ( ... )

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