You're not going to get a rational argument about the existence of God.
With the advent of reason and higher education among the masses it started to become abundantly clear that all the traditional "proofs" of (whatever) God's existence were nothing more than superstition. Reason and logic effectively "disproved" God.
So the argument arose that God is above (and created) reason and logic and so, effectively, knows all the loopholes - thus can hide proof of his existence from us. In Christianity, this all relates to the idea of doubting Thomas - it's easy to believe when you have proof, so God made his own existence impossible to prove. Therefore the faith of his followers is that much more holy. Yes, that's right. The Almighty said "it's better for you if you just take my word that I'm omnipotent".1This divides the camps on religion into two sides: those who put reason above faith and those who put faith above reason
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Starting with Thomas Aquinas, and William Paley, there is a movement with Christianity (and possibly other faiths, I'm not sure) to prove god through reason. These people consider themselves rational, and that they have a rational basis for faith. These are the people I seek answers from.
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Well, I don't want to get onto this too much, one long reply is about all I aim for ;p As far as I am concerned there is insurmountable evidence that the established points of fact are not enough to sway devout "faithies". Therefore, where is the reason in pursuing your quest? You say this isn't acceptable and I wonder - why not? even if it is a madness, a sickness, a malady, a lurgy or a pox does that mean people aren't allowed to believe? For the record, I'm totally on your side, it's just you have reason and proof that "faithies" don't listen to reason or proof, yet in the face of that reason and proof you say this isn't acceptable.
< You say "this isn't acceptable" and I wonder - why not? >
Exhibit A: "Intelligent Design" Exhibit B: The attempted removal of Evolution from Schools across the US Exhibit C: The banning of Stem Cell research Exhibit D: The shooting of Abortion Clinic Workers Exhibit E: Galileo
That's the short list, off the top of my head. There's an indefinite list of why the proliferation of madness in society *isn't* acceptable: because crazy people do crazy things, and harm society.
< even if it is a madness, a sickness, a malady, a lurgy or a pox does that mean people aren't allowed to believe
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With the advent of reason and higher education among the masses it started to become abundantly clear that all the traditional "proofs" of (whatever) God's existence were nothing more than superstition.
Reason and logic effectively "disproved" God.
So the argument arose that God is above (and created) reason and logic and so, effectively, knows all the loopholes - thus can hide proof of his existence from us.
In Christianity, this all relates to the idea of doubting Thomas - it's easy to believe when you have proof, so God made his own existence impossible to prove. Therefore the faith of his followers is that much more holy.
Yes, that's right. The Almighty said "it's better for you if you just take my word that I'm omnipotent".1This divides the camps on religion into two sides: those who put reason above faith and those who put faith above reason ( ... )
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Starting with Thomas Aquinas, and William Paley, there is a movement with Christianity (and possibly other faiths, I'm not sure) to prove god through reason. These people consider themselves rational, and that they have a rational basis for faith. These are the people I seek answers from.
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As far as I am concerned there is insurmountable evidence that the established points of fact are not enough to sway devout "faithies".
Therefore, where is the reason in pursuing your quest?
You say this isn't acceptable and I wonder - why not? even if it is a madness, a sickness, a malady, a lurgy or a pox does that mean people aren't allowed to believe?
For the record, I'm totally on your side, it's just you have reason and proof that "faithies" don't listen to reason or proof, yet in the face of that reason and proof you say this isn't acceptable.
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Exhibit A: "Intelligent Design"
Exhibit B: The attempted removal of Evolution from Schools across the US
Exhibit C: The banning of Stem Cell research
Exhibit D: The shooting of Abortion Clinic Workers
Exhibit E: Galileo
That's the short list, off the top of my head. There's an indefinite list of why the proliferation of madness in society *isn't* acceptable: because crazy people do crazy things, and harm society.
< even if it is a madness, a sickness, a malady, a lurgy or a pox does that mean people aren't allowed to believe ( ... )
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