Well. I'm batting 1000 today, so...

Mar 09, 2009 11:16

Apparently, I've affronted people across fandoms with my opinion that male rape =/= slash. Further, apparently, a story that contains male rape cannot possibly be gen, because there's M/M sex involved (because, apparently, the "consensual" part of "relationship" need not apply). Any M/M sex, consensual or rape, is slash ( Read more... )

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brihana25 March 9 2009, 18:48:51 UTC
I think a lot of people consider m/m or m/f (or "slash" & "het") to cover any kind of sexual contact, and that "gen" means no sexual content whatsoever. So even rape stories would fall under those categories. It's probably a gray area, since I bet a lot of people, like you, are thinking more in terms of relationships.

See, that's the thing. They all keep saying slash denotes only the gender of the people involved in the sexual relationship. One of the commenters (one of the nicer ones, actually) even gave me the Wikipedia definition of slash, which is "Slash fiction is a genre of fan fiction that focuses on the depiction of romantic or sexual relationships between characters of the same sex."

Rape is not a "sexual relationship". It's just not. Now, that's not to say a person can't be raped by someone they're in a sexual relationship with, because they can. But the act itself is not a "sexual relationship" by any stretch of the definition.

Dean was not in a "sexual relationship" with this person - before, during, or after. He was tied to a bed and being repeatedly tortured by this person. Even at the height of his borderline Stockholm syndrome, he just wanted more heroin. He never, ever wanted that man to be doing what he was doing, and he fought it with every ounce of everything that was in him.

The bitter irony, to me, is that I'm fighting (or rather, was. I gave up.) for recognition of the fact that rape is not sex. My original summary of my rant was "Slash and rape are not the same thing. Please don't ever do that again."

And it's the freakin' slashers who are pissed off? What, slash and rape are the same thing? I mean, here I am, trying to express how wrong that correlation is, and the selfsame group of people who would have jumped down my throat (rightly so) had I said that all slashers are wannabe rapists are the ones now screaming at me for daring to say they aren't?

WTF?

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sol_se March 9 2009, 18:57:23 UTC
I didn't say sexual relationship, I said sexual contact and content. That is different from "relationship." Rape is sexual violence, but it is sexual in nature.

I didn't see the argument you're referring to (and only know about it from what you've said here), but the same could be applied to m/f rape. There are many who wouldn't include m/f rape stories under the "gen" category because it contains sexual contact. That isn't to say that a m/f rape is the same as a m/f consensual sexual relationship. Obviously it's not.

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brihana25 March 9 2009, 19:09:15 UTC
Oh, no, I wasn't meaning you said relationship, because you didn't. :)

They keep saying it, though. Over and over. Either that, or saying that a relationship need not be present to be defined as slash, when the very definition of slash comes right out and says it does.

I've got friends who have written gen rape fic, so I refuse to believe that it doesn't exist. Hell, I'm in the middle of writing one myself.

I guess I just never expected to catch hell for not expecting say, a fic about Daniel and a violent rapist to be given the same classification as fic about Daniel and loving Jack.

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sol_se March 9 2009, 19:15:20 UTC
Ah, ok, got it.

I think one of the problems here is that you and your opposition are working with different definitions of "relationship." I have a relationship with my enemy, one of hatred. I also have a relationship with my mother. And a relationship with my coworker. And a relationship with my lover. They are (hopefully) not the same *kind* of relationship (eww), but they are all still relationships. A lot of people use the term "relationship" without giving it a sexual or romantic implication.

A lot of people, for example, will describe a (non-sexual) story about the sibling relationship of Simon & River Tam as "Simon/River". It doesn't mean that they have sex, or even want to have sex, but it just means it's about their relationship.

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sol_se March 9 2009, 19:16:10 UTC
I guess I just never expected to catch hell for not expecting say, a fic about Daniel and a violent rapist to be given the same classification as fic about Daniel and loving Jack.

Also, I think this is where warnings & sub-classifications should come in.

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sol_se March 9 2009, 19:00:12 UTC
Now, don't get me wrong. I do think that rape & noncon should be warned for in a header.

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