i really like that idea, but i just can't view GRRM as the type of writer who would rely on a metaphor that complex, just because all the other subtleties of the series "the starks are connected to their wolves!" "jon snow is probably not really ned's kid" are pretty heavy handed
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i don't think they can address it in show, since i think the entire season is already wrapped. though if they release a statement that in and of itself would mean a lot
that's the other thing, people are trying to excuse what happened based on how much cersei sucks, or the fact that she's a malicious bitch somehow means that she, of all people, should've found a way to get out of that situation.
i've had/seen some insane arguments regarding this scene online. again it's almost all men and they seem to flatout refuse to believe this is a rape scene based on the fact she wasn't clawing his eyes out or kicking him the balls (those are literally examples that were given as to why it -wasn't- rape) so i don't think it's solely character investment. i -do- think that for people who have read the books, that yeah there was bias going into the scene that it was consensual (if slightly cloudy at first) but all of the excuses i've seen for why it -wasn't- rape have made my skin crawl.
Even if she "wanted it", even if she loved him and was turned on and would have under most circumstances, it was acted, shot, and edited clearly that she didn't want it there, or then, and no means no, so it's rape.
It also changes the later punishment she receives for the act into one far worse, because then it'll be a clear case of victim blaming & harassment, as opposed to pious justice for her kinky and incestuous crimes.
I don't understand why HBO would do this, on so many levels.
FWIW, I found the rape of Danaerys on her wedding night to be just as horrible if not worse than this one. In the books, Drogo was gentle, kept asking Yes & No until he got a clear YES, even though those were the only words he understood. HBO just made it a violent pedophile rape.
so far it seems like everyone is trying to blame it on the fact that Jamie showed up at King's Landing way earlier in the show, but that seems like a cop out and if anything makes the scene worse since in the first episode Cersei essentially broke up with him.
As for the Dany/Drogo thing, I'm assuming they went with rape vs statutory rape for convenience? like, if they had Dany played as a 15 yr old (or played by someone age appropriate) I don't think they could show her nude and she was naked a lot in the first season (i just remember reading all the problems they had shooting Lolita in the 90's due to the fact that the actress either was or was supposed to be underage and that as a result they ran into a boatload of problems in regards to what they could and couldn't show) or even actually show her having intercourse since that could potentially skirt a lot of child pornography laws?
Ugh, I had to stop watching GoT sometime during season 2. It's a story about war, so of course it's going to be violent, but I just could not keep watching rape after rape.
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i've had/seen some insane arguments regarding this scene online. again it's almost all men and they seem to flatout refuse to believe this is a rape scene based on the fact she wasn't clawing his eyes out or kicking him the balls (those are literally examples that were given as to why it -wasn't- rape) so i don't think it's solely character investment. i -do- think that for people who have read the books, that yeah there was bias going into the scene that it was consensual (if slightly cloudy at first) but all of the excuses i've seen for why it -wasn't- rape have made my skin crawl.
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Even if she "wanted it", even if she loved him and was turned on and would have under most circumstances, it was acted, shot, and edited clearly that she didn't want it there, or then, and no means no, so it's rape.
It also changes the later punishment she receives for the act into one far worse, because then it'll be a clear case of victim blaming & harassment, as opposed to pious justice for her kinky and incestuous crimes.
I don't understand why HBO would do this, on so many levels.
FWIW, I found the rape of Danaerys on her wedding night to be just as horrible if not worse than this one. In the books, Drogo was gentle, kept asking Yes & No until he got a clear YES, even though those were the only words he understood. HBO just made it a violent pedophile rape.
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As for the Dany/Drogo thing, I'm assuming they went with rape vs statutory rape for convenience? like, if they had Dany played as a 15 yr old (or played by someone age appropriate) I don't think they could show her nude and she was naked a lot in the first season (i just remember reading all the problems they had shooting Lolita in the 90's due to the fact that the actress either was or was supposed to be underage and that as a result they ran into a boatload of problems in regards to what they could and couldn't show) or even actually show her having intercourse since that could potentially skirt a lot of child pornography laws?
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