Science and THE SCIENCE

[brendan831]

Magick has often been spoken of as the mother of all sciences and arts. Since it seeks to change and then manifest the highest values of the individual, it follows logically that all social and technological constructions must flow from this place. This is similar to the maxim of "revolution from above". Too often, in the occult community, we

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[anonymous]

Communism, either in Platos form, or Marx's requires art be controlled by and for logic and "science". It appears this is the reverse.

Democracy doesn't put itself against Communism in this respect, but instead simply ignores the question of art and will entirely, neither working to serve it, nor requiring anything from art. In practice, we see art withering in our society, which does not really have any place for it.

I've found the same thing true in my personal life which I'd built on the capitalist model. I'm trying to give this primal Will, this art it's rightful place, but it's difficult to even know what art IS when you've never really been exposed to it. It's quite the educational challenge to start trying to find out what art, ecstasy, and drive really are. :)

Thanks :)

-- James

Socialism and Democracy

[brendan831]

I think there are some important differences between Marx and Plato. Likewise, between Greek and Germanic democracy and the modern ideal. In Plato, the society is oriented around the philosopher kings. In Marx, this is not the case. In Greek and German democracy, decisions are made by the "free men", who - at least in theory - constitute an aristocracy. In the modern world we have dubbed all men "free", without any consideration as to whether or not this is actually the case.

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[brendan831]

I've been working my way through the dialogues over the last couple of weeks, and I've had some exposure to his ideas in general while I was working on my Associates in Philosophy. Why do you ask? Do you think I've mis-characterized his work?

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[brendan831]

I've heard that interpreation of Plato before. It doesn't matter so much, as my point was that Marx and Plato have, among other things, this very important difference in their view of an ideal society.