Oh dude, I have seen that episode and it's one of my favorite X-men episodes too. It always makes me teary eyed when AU Storm and Logan hugged each other and have one last kiss before they go back to the old timeline. I say run with it!
And to answer your question, I figure yes they do remember parts of the new timeline it just takes awhile to have both timelines juggling in your head at once and sort them out. In time, the guys will start to remember the AU timeline more clearly. So, go with your scene. ^_^ (I've been doing some doddles of Sly Cooper too by the way. XD)
And I like the idea of Penelope being reluctant, especially since in the AU she was arrest by Inspector Cooper and course Murry and Bently are crime lords here. (Just imagine the angst for Bently when he finally sees Penelope, but it's not "HIS" Penelope.)
Also, we finished Sly 3 last night and it was good. I LOVED the part of Bently and Penelope getting together. It was so cute and natural. She looked so cute in that pirate outfit too.
Honestly, story and characterwise it doesn't make sense for her to turn evil unless she was being brainwashed or badguys altered her timeline. It makes me wonder if Sanzaru were just thinking "Hey, let's restore Sly Cooper to the status quo, but we need a way to get rid of Penelope first for that to work." @_@
Also, how could Sly 4 not bring in Sly's ancestors that were a viking and a female pirate! They looked awesome, but granted considering what Sly 4 was like maybe it was just as well they didn't ruined too. I say, our Sly 4 does more with the pirate ancestor.
And I like the idea of Penelope being reluctant, especially since in the AU she was arrest by Inspector Cooper and course Murry and Bently are crime lords here. (Just imagine the angst for Bently when he finally sees Penelope, but it's not "HIS" Penelope.)
After reading your scene, I imagined Bentley running to hug Penelope when he sees her (he'd probably assume that, if she's hanging with Normal-Sly, than her memories were restored before his) and she immediately screams, pushes him away, and tells Carmelita & Sly that they're INSANE for dragging "that lunatic" into their hideout. And then finding out he's supposed to be her boyfriend will just strengthen her resolve to not let Sly "fix" her.
Also, we finished Sly 3 last night and it was good. I LOVED the part of Bently and Penelope getting together. It was so cute and natural. She looked so cute in that pirate outfit too.
"No one touches that turtle....but ME" ...yeah, that line is just so badass! It totally caught me off guard the first time I played it as a teen! XD
As much as I LOVE Sly&Carmelita, I always thought that Bentley and Penelope's relationship felt more natural. Mainly because they had to start over and build a friendship after their first in-person meeting turned out to be a....disappointment (btw, didn't you LOVE the "internet photos" joke? I sure did! XD). And they didn't hook up until after they spent time living together, working together, and getting to know one another as friends.
You know what Sly 3 scene REALLY hit me when I replayed it to flush out the memories of the-game-that-shall-not-be-named? In the scene toward the end where Sly is being crushed by the monster and believes he's about to die, he says that seeing Penelope & Bentley together and how happy they were made him realize what the important things in life really are. And it made him realize that, if he REALLY loved Carmelita and wanted to be with her, he'd need to make some serious changes in his life. So, in a way, Penelope is responsible for Sly making the choice to give up his old life (and his family fortune) for Carmelita. And that's why Sly's complete lack of concern for Penelope's safety and his lack of an emotional reaction to her betrayal in Sly 4 is such an outrage. She had a BIG impact on his life! Losing her friendship should have MEANT something to him!!
Honestly, story and characterwise it doesn't make sense for her to turn evil unless she was being brainwashed or badguys altered her timeline. It makes me wonder if Sanzaru were just thinking "Hey, let's restore Sly Cooper to the status quo, but we need a way to get rid of Penelope first for that to work." @_@
The popular theory is that Sanzaru originally intended for her to remain a protagonist. But then they changed their minds at the last minute because they wanted to be "edgy" and/or they just wanted to get rid of her and return the status quo. Most people think this because the character designer for Sly 4 released her Penelope re-design concepts on her blog and the first three were VERY similar to Sucker Punch's version (aside from the stylistic tweeks to make her look more like a mouse and less like a bunny)
There's also a Sly 4 model sheet floating around that includes a villain that didn't appear in the game (and people are guessing he was the original England baddie)
Also, how could Sly 4 not bring in Sly's ancestors that were a viking and a female pirate! They looked awesome, but granted considering what Sly 4 was like maybe it was just as well they didn't ruined too. I say, our Sly 4 does more with the pirate ancestor.
Yeah, the lack of female ancestors in Sly 4 bugged me at first. But now I'm relieved that Henriette Cooper (the pirate lady) wasn't rebooted into a Pirate-themed stripper or something. >_<
And it made him realize that, if he REALLY loved Carmelita and wanted to be with her, he'd need to make some serious changes in his life.
Totally and you now, for me it wasn't just that scene. You know how while in Italy there was that whole pasta joke of Sly asking Bently "Do you think there's more to life? Like we're missing out on something?"
I know it was suppose to be a joke, and it was funny, but it got Stu and I wondering if perhaps Sly was hinting he was getting tired of the thieving life all together. With that said, I still don't like that Sly 4 begins with Sly plotting a theft because he was bored.
To me, considering what we saw in Sly 3, it makes more sense character wise if Sly was unwillingly dragged into being a thief like how we would do it in the Sly 4 AU. But that's just me.
I know it was suppose to be a joke, and it was funny, but it got Stu and I wondering if perhaps Sly was hinting he was getting tired of the thieving life all together.
Wow! I never thought about it before. But that little joke was totally foreshadowing the ending!
Before Sly 4 happened, I always assumed that he grew disillusioned with the "Master Thief" lifestyle when he stopped and realized the price that came with it. -It's implied that a great deal of his ancestors were either murdered or relentlessly stalked by Clockwerk. -The criminal lifestyle lead to the Coopers making many powerful enemies (the fiendish five, Dr M, etc). -And Sly himself watched his parents die and one of his best friends get crippled while chasing the Cooper legacy.
Also, I'm sure seeing Bentley and Penelope together made him realize that he wanted more than simply being the Catwoman to Carmelita's Batman. And he realized that he needed to be an adult and EARN her affection instead of just being a suave flirt and assuming she'd eventually fall for it.
That's the main reason I think Sly being EAGER to steal again was just so wrong for him. Not only that, Sly being FORCED to steal again opens up WAY more dramatic possibilities than him simply doing it because he has "the itch". Not to mention the conflict that would come from Carmelita knowing that Sly NEEDS to do it in order to keep his bloodline from getting wiped out!
Also, his family is being targeted by a time-traveling psycho, one of his friends is missing (and presumed to be kidnapped by said psycho), and Sly's FIRST reaction upon hearing this news from Bentely is "OMG!SWEET! Let's steal some shit!!!"!!? WTF!!? >_<
So, a thought struck me. In the final levels, Sly got in the biplane for a sky battle. One question might be - why wasn't Penelope the one flying the plane?
I think the answer is: because she didn't want to. The whole black baron thing had kind of spiraled out of her control, and I think she wanted out of the air combat game. Besides which - Sly beat her in that arena, you could make an argument for him being the better fighter pilot. (She wins at remote-control everything.)
And as a followup, one of the Cooper ancestors was a flying ace - maybe the Thievius Raccoonius had a few tips in it?...
So, a thought struck me. In the final levels, Sly got in the biplane for a sky battle. One question might be - why wasn't Penelope the one flying the plane?
Funny you should mention that. The fact that the player was never allowed to control Penelope in a dogfight always bugged me (mainly because her piloting skill was half the reason they recruited her). So I recently drew a comic to try and justify why Sly flew in the Dr M bi-plane mission instead of her (WARNING! The comic REALLY sappy!):
I like your theory, too. But I like to believe that she would have at least offered to fly that mission (ESPECIALLY since Sly was injured at the time!)
Oh dude, I have seen that episode and it's one of my favorite X-men episodes too. It always makes me teary eyed when AU Storm and Logan hugged each other and have one last kiss before they go back to the old timeline. I say run with it!
And to answer your question, I figure yes they do remember parts of the new timeline it just takes awhile to have both timelines juggling in your head at once and sort them out. In time, the guys will start to remember the AU timeline more clearly. So, go with your scene. ^_^ (I've been doing some doddles of Sly Cooper too by the way. XD)
And I like the idea of Penelope being reluctant, especially since in the AU she was arrest by Inspector Cooper and course Murry and Bently are crime lords here. (Just imagine the angst for Bently when he finally sees Penelope, but it's not "HIS" Penelope.)
Also, we finished Sly 3 last night and it was good. I LOVED the part of Bently and Penelope getting together. It was so cute and natural. She looked so cute in that pirate outfit too.
Honestly, story and characterwise it doesn't make sense for her to turn evil unless she was being brainwashed or badguys altered her timeline. It makes me wonder if Sanzaru were just thinking "Hey, let's restore Sly Cooper to the status quo, but we need a way to get rid of Penelope first for that to work." @_@
Also, how could Sly 4 not bring in Sly's ancestors that were a viking and a female pirate! They looked awesome, but granted considering what Sly 4 was like maybe it was just as well they didn't ruined too. I say, our Sly 4 does more with the pirate ancestor.
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After reading your scene, I imagined Bentley running to hug Penelope when he sees her (he'd probably assume that, if she's hanging with Normal-Sly, than her memories were restored before his) and she immediately screams, pushes him away, and tells Carmelita & Sly that they're INSANE for dragging "that lunatic" into their hideout. And then finding out he's supposed to be her boyfriend will just strengthen her resolve to not let Sly "fix" her.
Also, we finished Sly 3 last night and it was good. I LOVED the part of Bently and Penelope getting together. It was so cute and natural. She looked so cute in that pirate outfit too.
"No one touches that turtle....but ME"
...yeah, that line is just so badass! It totally caught me off guard the first time I played it as a teen! XD
As much as I LOVE Sly&Carmelita, I always thought that Bentley and Penelope's relationship felt more natural. Mainly because they had to start over and build a friendship after their first in-person meeting turned out to be a....disappointment (btw, didn't you LOVE the "internet photos" joke? I sure did! XD). And they didn't hook up until after they spent time living together, working together, and getting to know one another as friends.
You know what Sly 3 scene REALLY hit me when I replayed it to flush out the memories of the-game-that-shall-not-be-named? In the scene toward the end where Sly is being crushed by the monster and believes he's about to die, he says that seeing Penelope & Bentley together and how happy they were made him realize what the important things in life really are. And it made him realize that, if he REALLY loved Carmelita and wanted to be with her, he'd need to make some serious changes in his life.
So, in a way, Penelope is responsible for Sly making the choice to give up his old life (and his family fortune) for Carmelita. And that's why Sly's complete lack of concern for Penelope's safety and his lack of an emotional reaction to her betrayal in Sly 4 is such an outrage. She had a BIG impact on his life! Losing her friendship should have MEANT something to him!!
Honestly, story and characterwise it doesn't make sense for her to turn evil unless she was being brainwashed or badguys altered her timeline. It makes me wonder if Sanzaru were just thinking "Hey, let's restore Sly Cooper to the status quo, but we need a way to get rid of Penelope first for that to work." @_@
The popular theory is that Sanzaru originally intended for her to remain a protagonist. But then they changed their minds at the last minute because they wanted to be "edgy" and/or they just wanted to get rid of her and return the status quo. Most people think this because the character designer for Sly 4 released her Penelope re-design concepts on her blog and the first three were VERY similar to Sucker Punch's version (aside from the stylistic tweeks to make her look more like a mouse and less like a bunny)
There's also a Sly 4 model sheet floating around that includes a villain that didn't appear in the game (and people are guessing he was the original England baddie)
Also, how could Sly 4 not bring in Sly's ancestors that were a viking and a female pirate! They looked awesome, but granted considering what Sly 4 was like maybe it was just as well they didn't ruined too. I say, our Sly 4 does more with the pirate ancestor.
Yeah, the lack of female ancestors in Sly 4 bugged me at first. But now I'm relieved that Henriette Cooper (the pirate lady) wasn't rebooted into a Pirate-themed stripper or something. >_<
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Totally and you now, for me it wasn't just that scene. You know how while in Italy there was that whole pasta joke of Sly asking Bently "Do you think there's more to life? Like we're missing out on something?"
I know it was suppose to be a joke, and it was funny, but it got Stu and I wondering if perhaps Sly was hinting he was getting tired of the thieving life all together. With that said, I still don't like that Sly 4 begins with Sly plotting a theft because he was bored.
To me, considering what we saw in Sly 3, it makes more sense character wise if Sly was unwillingly dragged into being a thief like how we would do it in the Sly 4 AU. But that's just me.
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Wow! I never thought about it before. But that little joke was totally foreshadowing the ending!
Before Sly 4 happened, I always assumed that he grew disillusioned with the "Master Thief" lifestyle when he stopped and realized the price that came with it.
-It's implied that a great deal of his ancestors were either murdered or relentlessly stalked by Clockwerk.
-The criminal lifestyle lead to the Coopers making many powerful enemies (the fiendish five, Dr M, etc).
-And Sly himself watched his parents die and one of his best friends get crippled while chasing the Cooper legacy.
Also, I'm sure seeing Bentley and Penelope together made him realize that he wanted more than simply being the Catwoman to Carmelita's Batman. And he realized that he needed to be an adult and EARN her affection instead of just being a suave flirt and assuming she'd eventually fall for it.
That's the main reason I think Sly being EAGER to steal again was just so wrong for him. Not only that, Sly being FORCED to steal again opens up WAY more dramatic possibilities than him simply doing it because he has "the itch". Not to mention the conflict that would come from Carmelita knowing that Sly NEEDS to do it in order to keep his bloodline from getting wiped out!
Also, his family is being targeted by a time-traveling psycho, one of his friends is missing (and presumed to be kidnapped by said psycho), and Sly's FIRST reaction upon hearing this news from Bentely is "OMG!SWEET! Let's steal some shit!!!"!!? WTF!!? >_<
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I think the answer is: because she didn't want to. The whole black baron thing had kind of spiraled out of her control, and I think she wanted out of the air combat game. Besides which - Sly beat her in that arena, you could make an argument for him being the better fighter pilot. (She wins at remote-control everything.)
And as a followup, one of the Cooper ancestors was a flying ace - maybe the Thievius Raccoonius had a few tips in it?...
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Funny you should mention that. The fact that the player was never allowed to control Penelope in a dogfight always bugged me (mainly because her piloting skill was half the reason they recruited her). So I recently drew a comic to try and justify why Sly flew in the Dr M bi-plane mission instead of her (WARNING! The comic REALLY sappy!):
I like your theory, too. But I like to believe that she would have at least offered to fly that mission (ESPECIALLY since Sly was injured at the time!)
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