Sadism (a.k.a. “Upping the Stakes”): The Heart of Every Drama

May 11, 2010 15:43

I’ve had a primitive incarnation of this meta, which was supposed to be the twin of this meta, festering on my hard drive for years.  Because we’re encroaching on the end of yet another season, I thought it would be fun to dust it off and finish it.  The original premise (from early S3 … doh!) was about upping the stakes in fiction and how SPN does ( Read more... )

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bowtrunckle May 13 2010, 06:15:49 UTC
Bobby, Castiel and Adam have been added as possible sacrifices because someone(s)is going to pay.

For a while my favorite S6 goal was "save Bobby". Crowley does have his soul hostage and demons do lie. ;)

...is to have Adam back to temporarily 'replace' the missing Winchester until the resolution in s6.

I love this idea! Even though he's half a Winchester, he's still half a Winchester!

Return of Jesse, the anti-Christ. There's just no way to justify having introduced this character unless he gets to pop in at the end.

I agree. I still have a hard time with that episode. I felt like introducing Jesse created an easy way to tie up the Apocalypse without affording Sam and Dean active roles. Jesse swooping in and doing *something* could be provide a really unsatisfying end. But conversely, Jesse not showing up all just makes me frown at that episode even harder.

was she dead or was she [Meg] just locked down?

She was still screaming when the scene ended, so it's debatable what actually happened to her (if she died or not). My guess is that her meat suit sustained damage but her demon self was still intact (not in Hell, not dead). If she vacated that body or not is another bag of beans...

the reference to him being difficult to kill had to do with the colt

I'm pretty sure it was restated last episode that the boys can't kill Lucifer. And that's where my bhuz confusion came from because ... why can't they kill him? *points to your comment below*

I'm suspecting that it would be possible to kill him with an angel or rather an arch angel sword. Getting one, without being taken over by the said arch angel would be the tricky bit.

You'd think Michael would be willing to lend them his. *winkwink* I suppose Michael handing over his sword and saying, "Go for it," wouldn't make for an exciting climax, though.

Thanks for sharing your insights! They're terrific.

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su_darklily May 13 2010, 12:46:31 UTC
Heeey, I always run out of room when I try to reply half the time but I didn't even think of using 2 replies. duh. lol.

I really loved your meta re the whole 'upping the stakes' thing because that's such a fav concept of mine, and one that is very central to another big fandom that I'm into, Japanese manga/anime. One of these days, I want to do a meta comparing the Winchester brothers with the Elric brothers (from Full Metal Alchemist, if you haven't seen it, I guarantee you'll love this anime/manga - it has all the themes that we adore in SPN and more). Both series really emphasis the whole sacrifice and dealing with the consequences of the said sacrifice only to up the sacrifice further resulting in further loss etc.

And I really agree that "It's always interesting to look at past meta and if any predictions held through subsequent seasons." I know that for me, each of my metas form a foundation for me to build off, as I complete one theory on the show after another.

I'm really glad that you liked my suggestion re Adam because this was exactly how I felt about Adam that "Even though he's half a Winchester, he's still half a Winchester!" But I'm not too sure if the show is going to give him that same recognition. They did kill him off even before the guy turned up! His existence is more about providing an example of 'road not taken' comparison for Sam and Dean and not at all so far about letting him establish himself as the third Winchester which is a shame because even though we've only been shown tiny glimpses, I thought that Adam definitely had Winchester potential.

Regarding Sam's journey, I've also been hoping that the writers will be building the finale as 'the ONE time Sam will succeed will be significant and meaningful and we can all say, "Finally!"' but we'll see what we'll see. (Just one more day!)

And this is exactly what my theory on why Lucifer and Michael have not yet rushed into confrontation in their second best vessels because "there's some disadvantage to being in the temporary vessel and taking on the opponent in one's true vessel would afford a better chance at winning".

Essentially I see angels as transdimensional beings who exist on more than one plane simultaneously and that the 'cage' Lucifer was locked in, was simply that he was unable to access the Earth and Hell planes of existence. The angels require vessels to possess so that they can manifest on Earth - the 'purer' the vessel, the more ability/powers they can access.

I've got this theory on how the whole angel possession works - my guess is that the soul acts as a power conduit for the angelic power and that for example, Castiel was limited after his resurrection because he *lost* Jimmy Novak (the human component of the vessel died at the point of disintegration and God resurrected him in a recreated copy of the original vessel but without a soul, Castiel can't access the full range of his powers). Which is why when Castiel drew the anti-angel sigil directly on his body, he was almost completely cut off from whatever angelic power he was drawing on. The reason Castiel was able to stay within the human body was because there was no other resident soul within (hence confirming the theory that Jimmy Novak is no more).

This then ties to the reason that Lucifer needs gallons of demon blood - which in effect creates the same power conduit as the soul in the angel vessel. Lucifer, like the other angels require the compact in order to access the soul as a power conduit but as he is no longer an angel, his conduit requires the additional *boost* from the demon blood because he has to reach through hell to manifest on Earth.

Oboy. I'm going to need another post for my response to Jesse. To be continued...

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su_darklily May 13 2010, 13:06:47 UTC
It's so lovely talking to some one who also enjoys analyzing not just watching (pet peeve from RL) so sorry about babbling on but you got me very excited.

I also felt that I "still have a hard time with that episode" with Jesse the anti-christ as well.

On one hand, they had to kill the child because he was going to be used by Lucifer, and he is so powerful that he can take out all the angels with a single word, on the other hand, neither angels nor demons can track this child because he is so powerful that he can shield himself from them ...??? Does not compute. Illogical. Illogical.

I really got the feeling that the entire episode was a set up so that Dean could say this in the ending.

"I'm starting to get why parents lie to their kids. You want them to believe that the worst thing out there is mixing Pop Rocks and Coke-protect them from the real evil. You want them going to bed feeling safe. If that means lying to them, so be it. The more I think about it...the more I wish Dad had lied to us. "

Which was beautiful but didn't justify throwing in Jesse mish-mash into the plotline where he sat, unable to be digested into the main canon plotline. The thing is that they've made it too easy to make an anti-christ according to Castiel, mix half human, half-demon and presto. If the formula is that simple, first, why just stop at Jesse? Second, what'd you get if you mix half human with half angel? (Which has been hinted at re Novak and Winchester bloodlines) Again, absolutely fascinating possibilities a la x-men and mutants but one that is largely ignored by the show.

For example, the hint from Cupid re match-making of John and Mary implies that there has to be *something special* about the Campbell bloodline not just the Winchester line but the show never picked this up! This kind of sloppy plotting drives me nuts. And as for Jesse, again, in order to get an anti-christ of the kind of power level he's supposed to represent, I'd have imagined a more potent cocktail for his heritage, which could have been possible if his mother was also of the 'angelic' bloodline but since this was never referred to and the specific formula was half human and half demon, not really likely.

Imagine if the show had put a bit of time and thought into the bloodline premise - which was sufficiently hinted at to develop my theories - to establish that the consequences of the angelic bloodline is that it increases the efficiency of the 'power conduit' effect of the host body/soul, enabling the angels to manifest their powers to maximum effect. Think nitro boost. Winchesters are special because they descend from 2, not just one bloodline so they provide the 'purest' mix - hence Adam is a lower class vessel since he has a different mother and therefore is only descended from 1 bloodline. (this is my theory only since the Campbell side has not yet been verified)

The whole 'falling from grace' is a metaphor for the process by which the angel is shut out from one or more dimension of existence. The 'grace' of Anna for example is her 'key' to her angelic dimension and as long as it was 'removed' from her, she was stuck in her mortal shell. Whereas, Lucifer lost his 'grace' thereby being shut out of Earth (and hell) all together, until Sam killed Lilith, the spilling of the demon blood at the gateway served to *grease* a pathway for Lucifer to Earth via hell - and therefore he requires constant, enormous amounts of demon blood to keep this doorway open (as most demons aren't as puissant as Lilith - which would explain Crowley's reluctance to join Lucifer because if any demon's smart enough to have figured this out, or at least suspect it, he is).

Whew. I've been brewing that little theory for a while but this is the first comprehensive attempt. Thank you for your positive feedback re my first comment, you really inspired this. ^^

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