Hello, sweets, I'm glad you liked this episode. It was creepy and one of the most disturbing yet. The doll head in the closet and the look on the girl's face as she walked from the closet in the teaser gave me goosebumps.
I think the scene at the end worked much better here than it did in H&H (4x10)
I'm still not sure what to say about 4x10, so I think it's better if I don't say anything at all. For me, it's not a matter of which end scene fit better or which one I preferred, but a matter of being tired of watching Dean torture himself and slowly barfing up his confessions in what I think is a disproportionate amount of Show time considering all of the other stories lines that are clamoring for attention. I'm not suggesting that we don't spend time on Dean or that his reveals shouldn't be heart wrenching or take time for him to divulge/process, but the revelation could've been all taken care of in one swoop instead of two (H&H and FR) and then we'd have an extra episode to explore the implications of his reveals OR something else ... both of which, I think, would be more interesting and important to the story.
Dean's characterization here, in this, rang truer than at the end of last ep.
I think Dean's reactions have been true to what we know of him. It makes sense to me that he'd be repressing up to a point it becomes unbearable and all it would take to reopen everything would be a trigger. Now that he's vocalizing what happened, I wouldn't be surprised if we see Dean struggling more, trying to process everything.
Doesn't the Tanner-kid from Croatoan (2x09) count as human, btw?
Yes, for sure they count! :) I think I wrote something along the lines of this being the first human child killed violently and on-screen. I just remember a conversation a while back about the fact that children (before this episode) were kept safe and never killed despite all the gore and violence ... like Kripke and Co. had an unwritten rule of sorts.
*GLEE* It's so easy to think that yes, this is how the creative process went. \o/
Hopefully the real process involves coffee. Also, I hear the Kripke likes to get up and act out proposed scenes. Wouldn't that be entertaining to see him emoting Dean?
*wantsess some Sammy-centricity, badly*
I'm with you! 4x09 was exactly what I was itching for. I wouldn't mind getting more into Sam's head this season. I've been waiting patiently since S3.
"which should’ve only taken 4 minutes of show time"
Dean's talk about his time in Hell has only taken up about 5 minutes of show time, all together. He didn't say a thing about it until 4.08 where it took up about a minute. Then in 4:10 where it took maybe a 2 to 2 1/2 minutes and then here, where it took maybe 2 to 2 1/2 minutes again. In 4.06 he himself didn't know what was going as I don't think he remember much until after Yellow Fever.
Dean hasn't spent alot of time whining about it and when he has it hasn't really been poor me so much as look at the awful things I did to others, he sees himself as a victimizer, not a victim.
I don't think they have spent much time on Dean's time in Hell in terms of it taking up screen time and I don't have a problem with it being spread out over various episodes.
However I do agree they could have used those 5 minutes of screentime better. It was stupid having two virtually identical scenes at the end of 4.10 and 4.11. Content could be the same, the setting and timing within the episode should have been different. Just really badly framed.
Dean's talk about his time in Hell has only taken up about 5 minutes of show time, all together.
Thanks for adding up those minutes. I was speaking in Show Time, meaning fictional time (which stretched into at least a month, longer if you consider the focus on Dean's time in Hell started at at the end of "Wishful Thinking"), not actual viewing time, but it's good to know these facts. :)
Dean hasn't spent alot of time whining about it
No Dean definitely doesn't whine. In fact, he does the exact opposite! That man has one stiff upper lip.
I don't think they have spent much time on Dean's time in Hell in terms of it taking up screen time
There have been a lot of MotW episodes, so case files have technically take up most of the screen time. But the emphasis those MotW episodes is what I'm speaking of, their relevance to the characters. They've centered more on clarifying Dean's head space than anyone else's so far this season. If you're interested in more on this I posted a response (with a incredibly dorky table) about this same thing in blackjedii's recent meta here: http://blackjedii.livejournal.com/562305.html#cutid1
Content could be the same, the setting and timing within the episode should have been different.
Yes. I would've been nice to see an effort to inject some more variety instead of falling back on what seems to be the easiest set up.
I think the scene at the end worked much better here than it did in H&H (4x10)
I'm still not sure what to say about 4x10, so I think it's better if I don't say anything at all. For me, it's not a matter of which end scene fit better or which one I preferred, but a matter of being tired of watching Dean torture himself and slowly barfing up his confessions in what I think is a disproportionate amount of Show time considering all of the other stories lines that are clamoring for attention. I'm not suggesting that we don't spend time on Dean or that his reveals shouldn't be heart wrenching or take time for him to divulge/process, but the revelation could've been all taken care of in one swoop instead of two (H&H and FR) and then we'd have an extra episode to explore the implications of his reveals OR something else ... both of which, I think, would be more interesting and important to the story.
Dean's characterization here, in this, rang truer than at the end of last ep.
I think Dean's reactions have been true to what we know of him. It makes sense to me that he'd be repressing up to a point it becomes unbearable and all it would take to reopen everything would be a trigger. Now that he's vocalizing what happened, I wouldn't be surprised if we see Dean struggling more, trying to process everything.
Doesn't the Tanner-kid from Croatoan (2x09) count as human, btw?
Yes, for sure they count! :) I think I wrote something along the lines of this being the first human child killed violently and on-screen. I just remember a conversation a while back about the fact that children (before this episode) were kept safe and never killed despite all the gore and violence ... like Kripke and Co. had an unwritten rule of sorts.
*GLEE* It's so easy to think that yes, this is how the creative process went. \o/
Hopefully the real process involves coffee. Also, I hear the Kripke likes to get up and act out proposed scenes. Wouldn't that be entertaining to see him emoting Dean?
*wantsess some Sammy-centricity, badly*
I'm with you! 4x09 was exactly what I was itching for. I wouldn't mind getting more into Sam's head this season. I've been waiting patiently since S3.
Reply
Dean's talk about his time in Hell has only taken up about 5 minutes of show time, all together. He didn't say a thing about it until 4.08 where it took up about a minute. Then in 4:10 where it took maybe a 2 to 2 1/2 minutes and then here, where it took maybe 2 to 2 1/2 minutes again. In 4.06 he himself didn't know what was going as I don't think he remember much until after Yellow Fever.
Dean hasn't spent alot of time whining about it and when he has it hasn't really been poor me so much as look at the awful things I did to others, he sees himself as a victimizer, not a victim.
I don't think they have spent much time on Dean's time in Hell in terms of it taking up screen time and I don't have a problem with it being spread out over various episodes.
However I do agree they could have used those 5 minutes of screentime better. It was stupid having two virtually identical scenes at the end of 4.10 and 4.11. Content could be the same, the setting and timing within the episode should have been different. Just really badly framed.
Reply
Thanks for adding up those minutes. I was speaking in Show Time, meaning fictional time (which stretched into at least a month, longer if you consider the focus on Dean's time in Hell started at at the end of "Wishful Thinking"), not actual viewing time, but it's good to know these facts. :)
Dean hasn't spent alot of time whining about it
No Dean definitely doesn't whine. In fact, he does the exact opposite! That man has one stiff upper lip.
I don't think they have spent much time on Dean's time in Hell in terms of it taking up screen time
There have been a lot of MotW episodes, so case files have technically take up most of the screen time. But the emphasis those MotW episodes is what I'm speaking of, their relevance to the characters. They've centered more on clarifying Dean's head space than anyone else's so far this season. If you're interested in more on this I posted a response (with a incredibly dorky table) about this same thing in blackjedii's recent meta here: http://blackjedii.livejournal.com/562305.html#cutid1
Content could be the same, the setting and timing within the episode should have been different.
Yes. I would've been nice to see an effort to inject some more variety instead of falling back on what seems to be the easiest set up.
Reply
Leave a comment