Wow--no comments at all on this review? How strange! *g* Ah, not really... this is the one where I embarrassingly LOST IT!
And I think this was a very difficult episode for much of fandom. It got another poor reception. I think some of the complaints about it are valid, but I also think it was just emotionally challenging for both Kara-fans and Lee-fans, yet their readings of the ep were very different, so it created a lot of Fan Angst!
I have to admit I have a LOT more sympathy with Kat's position Fascinating! That's quite unusual. She was widely hated. I didn't mind her, but I was still on Starbuck's side. It definitely hurt to see Starbuck lose the cup. *sob* And yes, total heartbreak in that final scene, with the names of those lost... Oh Kara! I just want to sweep Kara and Lee up and snuggle them! My babies are so in pain!
Almost suicidal courage... yes, that's true! So Kara-like!
I definitely agree there was raging femslash potential with Kara and Kat. And you're right that Kara has sparks with all alpha females, which is great! It's rare to have ONE strong female character in a show. Let alone two with chemistry!
Kara is, if anything, more emotionally frakked up than Lee, and that's saying a lot. *giggle* Yes, it is... and yeah, maybe she is. Though being in the Lee camp, I tend to be jealous of her strength. This ep was all about seeing the cracks in her armour though.
So what's your verdict on the almost-sex? Does Kara care about Lee at all? Is it flippant (hey-why-not, oh-damn-he-actually-has-feelings-for-me) or is it more bleak and self-destructive (don't-think-too-much-about-this/this-is-all-I-can-ever-expect-and-so-just-make-do)? The fantasising about Anders was pretty damning. It seems that my soul is still colonised by Kara/Lee, because I had amazingly plotted dreams about them while on holiday!
Most of my spoilery icons relate to this ep, so I can whip some out now! ;)
yay! you have more to look forward to--if anything, this is the low point of the season.
So what's your verdict on the almost-sex? Does Kara care about Lee at all? Is it flippant (hey-why-not, oh-damn-he-actually-has-feelings-for-me) or is it more bleak and self-destructive (don't-think-too-much-about-this/this-is-all-I-can-ever-expect-and-so-just-make-do)? The fantasising about Anders was pretty damning. It seems that my soul is still colonised by Kara/Lee, because I had amazingly plotted dreams about them while on holiday!
Is it cheating if I say both? I mean, I think *in that moment* it was making do, but I also think she has strong feelings for Lee--they're just buried under her guilt about Anders. And I do think it is more guilt than actual love--I was never very convinced by that relationship, when it was happening, but I can see how she feels she betrayed him by leaving him behind and not returning as she promised.
I'm not surprised that the sentiment of the fandom was against Kat, because Kara is the popular character, and I felt bad for her too until it became clear that this was beyond a little slipping, she was really sliding into a situation where things could go *really* wrong.
Very interesting comments re the almost-sex! And I'll let you off the hook, because BSG is very layered, and rewatching this ep with supacat made me realise that both her reading AND my reading (reductively described above) could be present and true in the same instance. Which makes it interesting to see how each of the characters will interpret and remember that event--since neither of them would be 'wrong'.
Yeah, I think this was a good episode because it so clearly challenged our sympathies. Kara used to be in Kat's position (and was also a total brat) and we cheered her on--now that roles are reversed, we are almost forced to abandon her if we are to be objective. But Kara's own arc within the ep redeems her (in a very dark way), so I didn't squirm as much as some fans evidently did. The 'brat' character is not one I'm always drawn to, but I did sympathise with Kat somewhat, despite that. So I think it was still a very successful episode.
Oh, p.s. I see no evidence of you "losing it" in this review. To be sure, this isn't your usually analytical examination of the episode, but so what? This is pretty much the average fan review: heavy on the squee, light on the analysis. I enjoy reading those type of reviews, too.
Heeeee. Um, yes, I was completely manic with squee when I posted it though. I knew I wasn't objective at allll... and it was at a time of major SV analysis, so the contrast between my two shows couldn't have been greater! I am intelligent about the pretty!shiny! show and squee about the intelligent show? Weird me. But yes, all things in perspective, perhaps I didn't lose it that much... *is reassured a little*
*g* Ah, not really... this is the one where I embarrassingly LOST IT!
And I think this was a very difficult episode for much of fandom. It got another poor reception. I think some of the complaints about it are valid, but I also think it was just emotionally challenging for both Kara-fans and Lee-fans, yet their readings of the ep were very different, so it created a lot of Fan Angst!
I have to admit I have a LOT more sympathy with Kat's position
Fascinating! That's quite unusual. She was widely hated. I didn't mind her, but I was still on Starbuck's side. It definitely hurt to see Starbuck lose the cup. *sob* And yes, total heartbreak in that final scene, with the names of those lost... Oh Kara! I just want to sweep Kara and Lee up and snuggle them! My babies are so in pain!
Almost suicidal courage... yes, that's true! So Kara-like!
I definitely agree there was raging femslash potential with Kara and Kat. And you're right that Kara has sparks with all alpha females, which is great! It's rare to have ONE strong female character in a show. Let alone two with chemistry!
Kara is, if anything, more emotionally frakked up than Lee, and that's saying a lot.
*giggle* Yes, it is... and yeah, maybe she is. Though being in the Lee camp, I tend to be jealous of her strength. This ep was all about seeing the cracks in her armour though.
So what's your verdict on the almost-sex? Does Kara care about Lee at all? Is it flippant (hey-why-not, oh-damn-he-actually-has-feelings-for-me) or is it more bleak and self-destructive (don't-think-too-much-about-this/this-is-all-I-can-ever-expect-and-so-just-make-do)? The fantasising about Anders was pretty damning. It seems that my soul is still colonised by Kara/Lee, because I had amazingly plotted dreams about them while on holiday!
Most of my spoilery icons relate to this ep, so I can whip some out now! ;)
yay! you have more to look forward to--if anything, this is the low point of the season.
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Is it cheating if I say both? I mean, I think *in that moment* it was making do, but I also think she has strong feelings for Lee--they're just buried under her guilt about Anders. And I do think it is more guilt than actual love--I was never very convinced by that relationship, when it was happening, but I can see how she feels she betrayed him by leaving him behind and not returning as she promised.
I'm not surprised that the sentiment of the fandom was against Kat, because Kara is the popular character, and I felt bad for her too until it became clear that this was beyond a little slipping, she was really sliding into a situation where things could go *really* wrong.
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Yeah, I think this was a good episode because it so clearly challenged our sympathies. Kara used to be in Kat's position (and was also a total brat) and we cheered her on--now that roles are reversed, we are almost forced to abandon her if we are to be objective. But Kara's own arc within the ep redeems her (in a very dark way), so I didn't squirm as much as some fans evidently did. The 'brat' character is not one I'm always drawn to, but I did sympathise with Kat somewhat, despite that. So I think it was still a very successful episode.
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