Hee! Thanks, I'm so glad you liked DLZ!! I know you are a discerning fan so that means a lot. ;)
(I hear even the most action-based TSCC vids elicited groans at VVC.)
It's really tough. ISN'T IT!!
my response to its Epic Failure was to, um, go kind of insane and try to reclaim it with various vid-related shenanigans I think you did very well to keep trying with that... I disengaged entirely, rather like recoiling from having been scalded, but I have all this BSG-related trauma still piled up inside me that is unexpressed. In retrospect, I think it would have been better to get it out of my system. I've also realised belatedly that there are, as you say, a small number of people who would totally be up for bitter, vitriolic, RDM-hating vids. ;)
I would be okay with that...if I had a fandom SAME! Gah. The world should make new awesome TV so that we could both feel a lot more comfortable again. ;)
Thank you SO MUCH for the offer of help with Vidukon. I think the situation we have is a small number of people who are very keen and committed to attend. I doubt we'll get a big group but I personally think that's ok? The Aus gathering will be even smaller so in my mind it's no obstacle. Cardiff has a lot of support! So yeah having some locals would be good, I think.
Haha, it's kind of you to say "discerning" instead of "really effing picky" which I think is maybe more accurate at times. ;) But either way, it's a fantastic video - so much of it's awesome, including the way it encompasses so much of the entire show and escalates brilliantly (to brilliant music), and I really love the way you use the "terminator static" to make those transitions. /belated feedback.
(I hear even the most action-based TSCC vids elicited groans at VVC.)
Seriously? O_O Wow. That makes me sad inside. *snuggles TSCC vids closer and wishes she had the guts to make one* ONE DAY!
As to BSG it's a tricky question. I can undoubtedly recommend making a ragey vid as a marvelous cathartic experience. I also got a lot of satisfaction from literally re-editing and AU and am now at the point where I'm learning to view every vid I make for the show as a vindication of my show rather than...whatever it was RDM was writing at the end of that trainwreck, but...it's still a process. I cannot say for certain that I found closure. You did what you needed to do at the time. Perhaps at this point you're able to see some of the more negative effects of disengaging completely but at the same time, when you did it, it may have been what you needed. Only idiots keep their hands in scalding water.
So I guess what I'm saying is, if you can never bring yourself to vid BSG again, it's probably not worth forcing the issue. But if you find yourself with something to say in vid form - even, or perhaps especially, something angry and bitter - then say it and you'll probably feel better for it?
Then again, I view my vids as part of my ongoing dialogue with the show just as much as fic or meta or ep reaction posts or any other discussion. Sometimes they are as complex as "SQUEEEE!" or "ARGH!!!!" and sometimes they're so complicated I probably shouldn't be trying to vid it. ;) But...it's just more things I have to "say". I think everyone does this to a degree but I think it's also the depth in which I'm rooted in that approach that maybe makes it so hard to vid without a fandom? Why I don't feel that vidding is my fandom? I feel more that vidding is the way I like to "speak" about my fandom(s)? And again, some shows I have drive-by "HELLO, SQUEE, GOODBYE!" reactions to in vid form (like SW: Clone Wars) and others I have long, loving, angry and complicated conversations with (like BSG).
*waves hands uselessly* In there somewhere is a point about relationships with vids, shows, vidding fandom, BSG fandom and how RDM is a giant jerk but I think I lost the thread...
In sum, vid what you feel like and it will rock. <3
SAME! Gah. The world should make new awesome TV so that we could both feel a lot more comfortable again. ;)
ALSO THIS.
As to Vidukon, firstly YAY! Support for Cardiff! :D But also I agree that probably having a smallish gathering is just fine. It'll keep it less intimidating, easier to organise, mean it's less likely people who want to attend won't be able to. I think it might well also foster a more relaxed atmosphere? I mean, I don't know since I didn't go to the first Vidukon so I don't know what that was like but...just as a random opinion, small isn't bad. I definitely want to go though, and I'm working on at least one and possibly two other people to drag with me (though I am far less certain financial constraints and travel would be feasible for them).
Anyway you're very welcome to the offer for help - it's absolutely my pleasure to do so - just drop me a line when you need something done!
instead of "really effing picky" which I think is maybe more accurate at times. ;) Hee! I think being picky is a great thing, especially when it comes to a source you really appreciate and have a relationship with. It's an indication you really know both yourself and your taste, and also the source.
That makes me sad inside. I know! I have to hope it was only a small segment of the audience but it's disheartening to hear... it's still weird to me that TSCC didn't acquire a bigger following, though its fanbase is very loyal so that is nice.
Psst, you should make a TSCC vid!!
Yeah, navigating the whole how-do-we-process-the-BSG-trainwreck thing is really tricky. Every choice has its pros and cons, I think. You should feel proud that you're starting to see your vids as a vindication of *your* BSG--ultimately I'd love to get to such a place, but it's pretty damn hard since the canon veered off so wildly from what I first thought it was.
I feel more that vidding is the way I like to "speak" about my fandom(s)? Yeah! I think I feel that too! And I found it DEEPLY disorienting to find out that many people who see themselves as being in 'vidding' fandom *don't* really see it that way at all. I also feel like a lot of my vids make best sense within their own fandoms, rather than in a wider context. That may be true for a lot of vidders... but it makes the idea of vidding fandom kind of ... weird.
small isn't bad. I definitely want to go though, and I'm working on at least one and possibly two other people to drag with me Excellent! I know it's hard for a lot of people to commit definitely and all personal circumstances vary, but I like the idea of a small group too and get the sense it could be a postive thing too.
Hee! It's so funny that everyone I've mentioned this too in passing so far has responded enthusiastically! ;) I seriously underestimated other people's continued need for catharsis... :p
Perhaps I should revisit the 'fuck you, Ron!' vid idea...
(I hear even the most action-based TSCC vids elicited groans at VVC.)
It's really tough.
ISN'T IT!!
my response to its Epic Failure was to, um, go kind of insane and try to reclaim it with various vid-related shenanigans
I think you did very well to keep trying with that... I disengaged entirely, rather like recoiling from having been scalded, but I have all this BSG-related trauma still piled up inside me that is unexpressed. In retrospect, I think it would have been better to get it out of my system. I've also realised belatedly that there are, as you say, a small number of people who would totally be up for bitter, vitriolic, RDM-hating vids. ;)
I would be okay with that...if I had a fandom
SAME! Gah. The world should make new awesome TV so that we could both feel a lot more comfortable again. ;)
Thank you SO MUCH for the offer of help with Vidukon. I think the situation we have is a small number of people who are very keen and committed to attend. I doubt we'll get a big group but I personally think that's ok? The Aus gathering will be even smaller so in my mind it's no obstacle. Cardiff has a lot of support! So yeah having some locals would be good, I think.
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(I hear even the most action-based TSCC vids elicited groans at VVC.)
Seriously? O_O Wow. That makes me sad inside. *snuggles TSCC vids closer and wishes she had the guts to make one* ONE DAY!
As to BSG it's a tricky question. I can undoubtedly recommend making a ragey vid as a marvelous cathartic experience. I also got a lot of satisfaction from literally re-editing and AU and am now at the point where I'm learning to view every vid I make for the show as a vindication of my show rather than...whatever it was RDM was writing at the end of that trainwreck, but...it's still a process. I cannot say for certain that I found closure. You did what you needed to do at the time. Perhaps at this point you're able to see some of the more negative effects of disengaging completely but at the same time, when you did it, it may have been what you needed. Only idiots keep their hands in scalding water.
So I guess what I'm saying is, if you can never bring yourself to vid BSG again, it's probably not worth forcing the issue. But if you find yourself with something to say in vid form - even, or perhaps especially, something angry and bitter - then say it and you'll probably feel better for it?
Then again, I view my vids as part of my ongoing dialogue with the show just as much as fic or meta or ep reaction posts or any other discussion. Sometimes they are as complex as "SQUEEEE!" or "ARGH!!!!" and sometimes they're so complicated I probably shouldn't be trying to vid it. ;) But...it's just more things I have to "say". I think everyone does this to a degree but I think it's also the depth in which I'm rooted in that approach that maybe makes it so hard to vid without a fandom? Why I don't feel that vidding is my fandom? I feel more that vidding is the way I like to "speak" about my fandom(s)? And again, some shows I have drive-by "HELLO, SQUEE, GOODBYE!" reactions to in vid form (like SW: Clone Wars) and others I have long, loving, angry and complicated conversations with (like BSG).
*waves hands uselessly* In there somewhere is a point about relationships with vids, shows, vidding fandom, BSG fandom and how RDM is a giant jerk but I think I lost the thread...
In sum, vid what you feel like and it will rock. <3
SAME! Gah. The world should make new awesome TV so that we could both feel a lot more comfortable again. ;)
ALSO THIS.
As to Vidukon, firstly YAY! Support for Cardiff! :D But also I agree that probably having a smallish gathering is just fine. It'll keep it less intimidating, easier to organise, mean it's less likely people who want to attend won't be able to. I think it might well also foster a more relaxed atmosphere? I mean, I don't know since I didn't go to the first Vidukon so I don't know what that was like but...just as a random opinion, small isn't bad. I definitely want to go though, and I'm working on at least one and possibly two other people to drag with me (though I am far less certain financial constraints and travel would be feasible for them).
Anyway you're very welcome to the offer for help - it's absolutely my pleasure to do so - just drop me a line when you need something done!
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Hee! I think being picky is a great thing, especially when it comes to a source you really appreciate and have a relationship with. It's an indication you really know both yourself and your taste, and also the source.
That makes me sad inside.
I know! I have to hope it was only a small segment of the audience but it's disheartening to hear... it's still weird to me that TSCC didn't acquire a bigger following, though its fanbase is very loyal so that is nice.
Psst, you should make a TSCC vid!!
Yeah, navigating the whole how-do-we-process-the-BSG-trainwreck thing is really tricky. Every choice has its pros and cons, I think. You should feel proud that you're starting to see your vids as a vindication of *your* BSG--ultimately I'd love to get to such a place, but it's pretty damn hard since the canon veered off so wildly from what I first thought it was.
I feel more that vidding is the way I like to "speak" about my fandom(s)?
Yeah! I think I feel that too! And I found it DEEPLY disorienting to find out that many people who see themselves as being in 'vidding' fandom *don't* really see it that way at all. I also feel like a lot of my vids make best sense within their own fandoms, rather than in a wider context. That may be true for a lot of vidders... but it makes the idea of vidding fandom kind of ... weird.
small isn't bad. I definitely want to go though, and I'm working on at least one and possibly two other people to drag with me
Excellent! I know it's hard for a lot of people to commit definitely and all personal circumstances vary, but I like the idea of a small group too and get the sense it could be a postive thing too.
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Perhaps I should revisit the 'fuck you, Ron!' vid idea...
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